Some weapons for western allies

I made 2 post about Axis wepons if you are interested here are the links

And now let us begin

Andrews machine carbine

The Andrews machine carbine was designed by an Australian engineer who sent the blueprints to BSA in Britain, who constructed a small batch of prototypes. These guns were submitted to the British Ordnance Board in 1943 and trials were arranged in late September that year.
The Andrews was a 9×19mm submachine gun of an unusual design. The pistol grip was hinged and could be folded underneath the body when not in use, and a spare magazine could be inserted into a slot in the rear end of the weapon to be used as a rudimentary stock. Both of these novel features proved to be unreliable in practice, however, as the spare magazine was found to come loose easily and the folding pistol grip had poor ergonomics.(660rpm)(9mm parabellum)

Prototype owen sub machine guns

  • Experimental .22 Owen Sub-machine Gun


Owen Sub-machine Gun .22 Prototype. This weapon has been home made from mainly .22 (short) calibre rifle parts but has a ‘wheel’ drum magazine operated by a coil spring, that takes 44 cartridges and has a trigger made from a piece of spring steel above the stock wrist.This weapon was made by Evelyn Owen as prototype to the later Owen sub-machine gun made at Lysaghts Factory, Port Kembla, New South Wales.

  • Experimental .32 Owen Sub-machine Gun Second Model

Experimental Owen Sub-machine Gun. It has a wooden butt and pistol grip but the foregrip is a dark red plastic screwed to the barrel. The .32 calibre barrel with its muzzle compensator is held in place by a spring clip on the underside of the action body although there is a provision for it be held in place with a threaded sleeve. The magazine, which takes 30 rounds, is mounted on the left side of the receiver and is angled towards the rear. The butt and trigger mechanism can be released by a spring clip on the right side of the action body.
This gun is the second experimental model Owen and is the original made at the Lysaght’s factory.

  • Experimental .45 Owen Sub-machine Gun Third Model

This is the third experimental model Owen gun.

  • Experimental .38 Owen Sub-machine Gun Fourth Model

This weapon is the fourth type of experimental Owen gun and it is believed that four of this model were made for experimental trials at the Lysachts factory in .38 calibre
And about fifth model its the 9 mm Owen which was accepted and essentially became owen mk 1 in the game

Austen MK1 and 2


During World War II, Australia found itself cut off from its allies and was unable to receive large quantities of military ordnance from the British government. Therefore the Australian Army found itself without a submachine gun and requested a new local design to fulfill its requirements. Those requirements were met by the Owen gun and the Austen, which were both issued to Australian troops throughout the war.(28-round detachable box magazine)(500rpm)

BSA machine carbine MK1

This weapon was designed by Birmingham Small Arms in the mid-1940s. The first prototype, the Mk.I, was unveiled in 1945, where it was demonstrated at RSAF Enfield. It fired at 530 rounds per minute and performed impressively, despite being slightly heavy. (32-round detachable box magazine)

BSA Autorifle

This rifle was manufactured by BSA under their licensing agreement with the Auto-Ordnance Corp. It was offered for British Army trials during the 1920s. It appears to employ the “Blish Principal” for retarding the blowback of the bolt. In contrast to the Thompson SMG, this is achieved by a sleeve riding on helical grooves in the bolt. If the two curved ‘shutters’ around the bolt head are moved into the down position, the mechanism is disconnected and the rifle can be used as a manual loader. This facility was a requirement in self-loaders offered for British trials at this period.(10 round mag)(semi-auto)( .303 British/7.92×57mm Mauser/7.62×54mmR)



RSAF Enfield began work on the MCEM project around 1942, and aimed to have finished prototypes ready by the end of the war; the British Army had no intention of keeping the Sten gun in service once the war was over and sought an immediate replacement. Enfield divided its design teams up by nationality and had two separate teams working on the MCEM project: one consisting of British engineers and another consisting of Polish engineers.

The British team’s first prototype was known as the MCEM-1. The basic action and trigger mechanism were taken directly from the Sten. A new addition was the implementation of a spring collar around the return spring that would grip the bolt every time it traveled back, causing a friction delay that moderated the fire rate.

Externally the gun had an unusual build. The wooden stock slotted into the tubular pistol grip and could be detached. The cocking handle was built with a dust cover to avoid dirt and grime from entering the cocking slot. The magazines used for the MCEM-1 were also unconventional; they consisted of two 20-round box magazines welded together side-by-side to create a double magazine. To facilitate for this, the magazine feed was built as a horizontal guide into which the magazine slid across.

The MCEM-1 was briefly loaned out to the Royal Marines Small Arms School in Gosport and tested there, where it was reported to function satisfactorily, with some minor stoppages. It was then subjected to internal tests at RSAF Enfield against the MCEM-2, but both weapons were considered unsuitable in their current form and were sent back to their respective designers for improvements.(2*20 round mag)(700 rpm)(9mm Parabellum)



The Polish team’s first prototype, completed after the MCEM-1, was known as the MCEM-2 . It was a completely original design built from scratch, and was one of the first submachine guns to feed its magazines through the pistol grip.
The MCEM-2 was of a compact design and could be classified as a machine pistol. It was only 14 inches long and featured a detachable wireframe stock covered in a canvas fitting that could double as a holster. The magazine held only 18 rounds and the fire rate was around 1000 rounds per minute, meaning the magazine would be expended very quickly during automatic fire.
(18 round mag)(1000rpm )(and everybody’s favorite 9mm, 9mm parabellum)
(There were MCEM-3 and 4 and 6 but I’m not sure if they were finished before war’s end so I didn’t include them )

Experimental BSA-Kiraly machine carbine

(My man kiraly making weapons for everyone ) he was a businessman doing business)

The BSA-Kiraly was largely derived from the earlier SIG MKMO that Kiraly had previously done design work for. It used a lever-delayed blowback action and was chambered for the 9x25mm Mauser cartridge, feeding from a 40-round box magazine. Overall it was made to a rather excellent standard, but despite this, it was offered at a modest price - £5 a unit (about £300 today).
None the less it was never bought by UK and later kiraly refined his weapon and give us Kiraly 39 and 43

Kokoda submachine gun

The Kokoda was an Australian submachine gun designed in 1943. The weapon aimed to replace the Sten gun in British service.
On the 6th of May 1943, the Australian Army conducted a survey of sorts to a large sample of soldiers with combat experience. The survey covered small arms design including submachine guns. Over 1500 soldiers took part in the survey and 1293 of those soldiers thought that the magazine should be below the body and 163 thought it should be on top, like the Owen gun. A design team was assembled led by Major S. E. M. Hall to create the ideal submachine gun based on the survey’s results. The result was basically an Owen gun with some modified features. The pistol grip acted as the magazine housing and the barrel had a large foregrip attached to the muzzle. A retractable stock was added. The weapon was nicknamed the “Kokoda” in Australia and in 1947 it was sent to Britain for trials
it was tested against sterling and MCEM-3 at 1947 which we know who won (430 rpm ) (9mm parabellum) (and 33 round mag)

The Johnson Auto-Carbine ‘Daisy Mae’


The Johnson Auto-Carbine was an intermediate design incorporating elements of both the Johnson 1941 rifle and the LMG version. From what I’ve read, it was designed to be a shorter, lighter, handier gun for colonial troops in the Dutch East Indies. It’s distinguishable from the LMG version in that it has a longer handguard, lacks the bipod/monopod, and from what I can tell feeds using the same magazine as the rifle as opposed to the longer side-mounted one. One was carried by Marine office Harry Torgerson in the Pacific(430 rpm)

Hallé rifle


The Hallé rifle was a British prototype self-loading rifle designed by Clifford Hallé in 1902 and produced at William Moore & Grey Ltd.(5 round internal mag + 10 detachable mag )

M1922 Bang rifle

The Model 1922 Bang rifle is a US semi-automatic rifle designed by the Danish arms designer Søren Hansen Bang. It was a modification of the earlier Models of 1909 and Model 1911 Bang rifles, both chambered in the .30-06 Springfield round.(6 round)(smi auto)

Atmed .45


The Atmed Manufacturing Co. produced a modified Hyde Model 35 submachine gun in the late 30’s. It was tested at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in September 1942. About 750 rounds were fired from 20-round magazines and it functioned poorly. The primers were pierced by the firing pin and the sear spring was too weak, causing the single-shot mode to give out 2 or 3 shots instead. When the pin was shortened by 0.009 inches the problems disappeared. It functioned especially well in mud and dust tests but it was considered not worth developing any further.(725 rpm) (20round)

The standard arms model G and M

Amongst the firearm inventions that failed one of the more obscure is the Standard Arms Model G gas operated self-loading rifle and its sibling the Model M which did away with the gas operation completely and just functioned as a pump action. Of the two the pump action was more likely to actually work than the semi-automatic whose reputation can only be described as abysmal.
The Standard Arms Model G and Model M were made in .25 Remington, .30 Remington and .35 Remington. A sensible range of chamberings unfortunately let down by the design and manufacture of the Standard Arms rifles not being up to the task.

Model M top model G down

White Toggle-Locked .30-06 Prototype Rifle

This toggle-locking rifle chambered for the .30-06 cartridge is the second of two rifles submitted by White for the 1930 US military trials. It was not actually tested by the US, but White did take it to the UK where it was tested in the early 1930s. British officials liked that it was a positively locked action (unlike Pedersen’s toggle rifle, which was delayed blowback), but found it too fragile for combat use.

White Prototype Gas Operated .276 Rifle


One of the competitors against the Garand and Pedersen rifles in the 1929 and 1930 US Army trials was the White rifle. White actually submitted two rifles, but only this gas-operated design was actually tested - and it failed to make enough of an impression to move on for further testing. However, White’s gas system would come back 20 years later to be used in the M14 rifle.(10 round)

T3E2 Trials .276-Caliber Garand

By 1932, the competition for the new US semiautomatic service rifle had been narrowed down to just two designs: John Pedersen’s delayed blowback toggle action and John Garand’s gas-operated action. Both rifles were chambered for Pedersen’s .276 caliber cartridge, and used 10-round en bloc clips. Twenty samples of each were made and sent out to infantry and cavalry units for field testing.

Thompson’s .30-06 1923 Autorifle

This is a Model 1923 Thompson Autoloading Rifle, one of a batch of 20 made by Colt for US military testing in 1924. The system is designed on the same basic Blish principle as the Thompsons submachine gun; the idea that two sliding surfaces will lock solidly together under enough pressure, and not begin to slide until the pressure drops below a certain level. In reality, both guns are simply delayed blowback, and the rifle (in .30-06) suffered from very high extraction pressures. So high, that ejected cases were reportedly sticking in a wood board at the 1924 trial.
Feed system:
Infantry rifle: 5-round fixed magazine or 20-round detachable box magazine depending on version
Light machine gun: 20-round detachable box magazine

Vickers-Berthier 1919(second pattern)

US issued a request for semiautomatic rifles in 1920, Berthier and his partners at the Vickers company dated the machine gun design into a closed-bolt, semiauto shoulder rifle. After rejection at the May 1920 trials, they redesigned the gas system to be shorter, and resubmitted another rifle to the followup tests in November of 1921

BSA bullpup


The BSA bullpup was designed in the late 1940s. It was chambered for the .280 cartridge, and utilized two triggers; one in front of the magazine and one behind. It was purely experimental and not submitted to trials.



The McClean machine gun , also known as the McClean-Lissak or the McClean automatic rifle , was a pioneering prototype American light machine gun designed by Dr. Samuel Neal McClean in 1919. Designed to be a man-portable rapid fire weapon that could be fired from the shoulder, the weapon was designed to possibly compete against the Hotchkiss M1909 and other automatic rifles or light machine guns at the time.(drum mag )

Thompson T2 Submachine Gun

The T2 submachine gun was Auto-Ordnance’s entry into the ongoing competition to replace the classic Thompson submachine gun with something more economical to produce. It was a closed-bolt, select-fire design using a progressive trigger and a tubular receiver, along with stand Thompson gun magazines. Examples were made in both 9mm and .45 ACP, but it was the .45 version that the US military tested. Ultimately is was rejected in favor of the Inland/Hyde M2 submachine gun (which looks rather similar to it) - which was in turn quickly replaced by the much simpler M3 “Grease Gun” that would truly replace the Thompson in US military hands.

Winchester WWII 50 AT rifle


Howell automatic rifle


The Howell was a British self-loading conversion of the Lee-Enfield rifle, designed by N. Howell.

(10 round and 20 round detachable mag)

Garand Model 1919

The Garand Model 1919 is a prototype semi-automatic rifle/light machine gun. The weapon was used during the development of the M1 Garand.(20 to 30 round ) (450 to 600 rpm)


The Burton Light Machine Rifle , also known as the Winchester 1917 , was an early assault rifle developed by Frank Burton in 1917. It was intended to utilize incendiary ammunition for its role as an aircraft observer’s weapon against balloons. The weapon became obsolete before it could be introduced as Vickers machine guns were already being fit to aircraft at the time of its completion. Only one weapon was ever produced and now sits in the Cody Firearms Museum in Wyoming
(2*20 round mag)

Hyde M1944


The Hyde M1944 was an attempt by George Hyde to manufacture a light rifle for the US Armed Forces. The M1944 Hyde Carbine was more reliable and accurate than the M1 Carbine that was adopted. It also had the capability of select fire, which made it very similar to a StG-44.(30 round )( 600 to 1200 rpm)

Lewis Assault Phase Rifle

The Lewis Assault Phase Rifle is an experimental variant of the Lewis Gun that was a competitor for the M1918 BAR. It uses a conventional box magazine and fire selector and is chambered in .30-06, but otherwise is very similar to the British Lewis gun.
There are two variants of this rifle MK2 which is the photo shown above is this variant and MK3 which is the photo under this

Huot Automatic Rifle


The Huot Automatic Rifle is a Canadian light machine gun that was developed by Joseph Huot in 1916 during World War I. It is an automatic conversion of the Canadian Ross straight-pull bolt action rifle. The war ended before the weapon entered service into the Canadian Army and only four are confirmed to have been built.

Historically, the Canadians had a severe lack of automatic weapons. To solve this, Joseph Huot ingeniously converted the retired Ross rifle to fire fully automatically.BTW forgotten weapons has a video about this weapon

Rieder Automatic Rifle


The Rieder Automatic Rifle was a conversion of the Lee-Enfield into an automatic rifle. It was designed by South African Henry J. Rieder.
The Rieder rifle was designed by Cape Town resident Mr. Henry J. Rieder, who worked mainly with televisions and radios but experimented with firearms when the war broke out. From 1940 - 1941, Rieder converted 18 SMLE rifles into automatic rifles. These were first brought to the attention of the British Ordnance Board by Dr. Van der Bijl, the South African Director General of War Supplies, recommended them as a means of converting existing Lee-Enfield rifles in the possession of the British Army into light machine guns.

That’s it from me I still have a lot of semis, a few machine guns, bunch of smgs and a lot of french stuff which imma keep it for an other post


It’s like the American 180 if it was a drug addict lol.

but the austen is already in the game.

isn’t it ?

as for the rest, sure why not.

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The two guns which I believe could best fill the role of AR for allies.

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yes think it was premium but there are two variants so we can add the other one that is not in the game

i see.

yeah, we have the austen mk I

past event submachinegun squad of when the pacific was newly introduced:


Meanwhile Japan can only do this.

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Yeah we need this in this game.

I’d love to see either the Johnson autocarbine or Hyde in this game. Or hell, add both. But that wouldn’t fix the whining. Because they will find something else, like always. Though thank you for showing a weapon I wasn’t aware of (the autocarbine).

Kinda late on this I see.

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