Some interesting guns for western allies

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Forced-Air Cooed Experimental Ross Machine Gun


In addition to building three main patterns of straight-pull bolt action rifle for the Canadian military and the commercial market, Sir Charles Ross also experimented with self-loading rifles.

Starting with a standard Ross Mk III, this experimental rifle has a gas piston and trigger to allow automatic fire and a very neat forced-air cooling system. A one-way rather mechanism spins the fan when the bolt cycles, pushing air into a barrel shroud similar to that of a Lewis gun. This rifle was most likely made in 1915 or 1916 with an eye to a military light machine gun or automatic rifle contract – which never happened.


Vickers-Berthier 1919 second pattern

Vickers-Berthier M1919 semi auto rifle, essentially the lightened version of the earlier Berthier automatic rifle which features a top fed magazine. The oprod design is quite similar to FG42’s. It took part in the 1921 US rifle trial and competed against rifles of Garand, Thompson, Bang, and Hatcher

Berthier automatic rifle


The Berthier automatic rifle was a light machine gun prototype. The weapon could be converted from an automatic rifle to an LMG.(450 RPM)

These 2 weapons (Vickers-Berthier 1919, Berthier automatic rifle) were suggested I just added an image of the automatic rifle conversion of Berthier automatic rifle

Garand 1924 Rifle

The first successful iteration of John Garand’s rifle was developed in 1921 and refined through 1924. A small batch were made for US military testing in 1924, where it was compared to guns like the Bang, Hatcher-Bang, and most significantly the Colt/Thompson Autoloading Rifle. Garand’s rifle was primer-activated, with a downward-tilting locking lug at the rear of the bolt (like an 1886 Mannlicher). It was the clear willer of the trials, but was rendered useless in 1925 when the military adopted a new loading of .03-06 which used IMR powder (with a substantially different pressure curve than wha tGarand had been using for his design) and staked primers – which rendered it thoroughly unusable in the 1924 Garand.

Dineley machine carbine


The Dineley machine carbine was developed circa 1932 by Mark Dineley, who operated a British arms importing firm called Dineley & Dowding. Although his submachine gun outwardly resembled the famous Thompson gun, it seems to have operated on a straight blowback action. It was chambered, unusually, in .32 ACP, and was much smaller than other SMGs of its time. The barrel was taken from a Ross rifle, cut down to half its length, and the gun fed from a 20-round box magazine that is now lost. There is no record of the gun being tested by the Army, and it may have simply been a personal project for Dineley. In any case, it was possibly the very first British-designed SMG ever made.

20round / 700ROF

Hillberg Carbine

The Hillberg carbine was one of the many entrants into the US Army SRM-1 trials in 1941. It was developed by Robert Hillberg of the Bell Aircraft Corporation and operated on a blow-forward action. It was ultimately beaten by Winchester’s entrant, which was adopted as the M1 Carbine. Hillberg subsequent designed the Whitney Wolverine pistol in the 1950s, which bore some superficial resemblance to this carbine.

20 round /7.62mm or 30 cal

Thompson Persuader


The Persuader was the first prototype of the Thompson submachine gun, designed in October 1917, and essentially acted as the weapon’s predecessor. Using an early form of the Blish lock as designed by John Bell Blish, the weapon was unable to fire more than six rounds without stoppages due to issues with the weapon’s mechanism. No further improvements to the weapon were made; the weapon is currently on display at the West Point Military Museum(can accept 30 and drum mag 50 round)

Thompson M1923 M1 and M2



The M1923 was an attempt by Auto-Ordnance to compete with the M1918 BAR. Along with the longer barrel and bipod, it’s chambered for .45 Remington–Thompson, which fires the 250-grain bullet at about 1450 fps through the 14-inch barrel, about equivalent to a .44 Magnum revolver in muzzle energy. The military showed no interest and the project was dropped.
There are also Chinese and French variants so an event squad maybe?

Johnson Model 1941 Semi-Automatic Rifle with Scope

Just a simple Johnson with scope

Savage carbine



This carbine was designed by John Pierce, and submitted to the Light Rifle trials by the Savage Arms company. It was a complex short-recoil design using more than 80 total parts. It was supplied with 5 and 20 round stick magazines and a 50-round drum, thought he 20- and 50-rounders were dropped from the test because they caused feeding problems. It weighed in at 5.45lb with a sling and 5-round mag, had a 16 inch barrel, and an OAL of 33 3/8 inches.

Testing went well until the breech bolt housing broke at round 2882 in the endurance test. Up to that point, accuracy, handling, felt recoil, and reliability were judged to be good. The testers’ sole complaint was the rifle’s complexity to disassemble and large number of parts.

Colt Model 1925 Browning Automatic Rifle(.303 British)

This batch of guns was adapted to chamber the rimmed British .303 round, necessitating a curved magazine, a .303 barrel, an adapted bolt, extractor and ejector. In April 1921 the BAR along with four other light machine guns (the Madsen, Beardmore-Farquhar, a Lewis Gun and strip and magazine fed Hotchkiss guns) were tested at the School of Musketry at Hythe.

The Browning fared well in the testing with the evaluating officer stating that for a “light gas-operated weapon the Browning has done remarkably well…” In fact the Browning was selected as first preference out of the five weapons tested. The testing board felt it was suitably light and would be the cheapest to manufacture. The board made a series of suggestions to improve the BAR for British service:

  1. Move the cocking handle to the right side of the weapon
  2. Fit a light bipod which is height adjustable
  3. Ejection port and magazine well dust covers
  4. Gas regulator hole to be clear of threads of regulator
  5. Improved method of fixing position of gas regulator
  6. Stronger butt
  7. Magazine well capable of receiving Lee-Enfield rifle magazines

The adapted BARs had carrying handles, flash hiders, bipods, Lewis Gun-style pistol grips, new rear sight and protected front post, an ejection port dust cover and a redesigned butt stock. A number of other changes were also made including switching the charging handle to the right (this change was found to be less necessary with the addition of a pistol grip).

Commando revolver


This revolver was conceived as a close-quarters emergency sidearm for British Commandos
operating behind enemy lines. It was prototyped at RSAF Enfield in mid-1942, but whether or not it was ever actually fielded is unknown.

Thats from me I wanted to include a lot of stuff but Im just too lazy man I had bunch of fun stuff Imma include them in the next post whenever I do that


I gained a lot and thank you for sharing

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What an insightful list! It is always a treat to learn about such interesting weapons. Hopefully, some of these get added into the game.

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assault rifle metamorphosis to an mg


All of these are super interesting

Except one. Someone has violated the BAR with .303. THE BAR IS SACRED! I gotta go find a body, resurrect the man, and then kill him with 30-06 as Browning intended. Maybe whip out a .45 ACP to make sure I delete his soul in the process. Or maybe even a .50 BMG so all of his relatives and the afterlife forget he ever existed. This blasphemy SHALL NOT STAND

You should add the SREM-1 and the USMC variant of the M1941 Johnson to this list as well.