Feedback on Preliminary balance changes in the testing of the "Far Eastern Front"

[Valkay]

Hello bajtársak and fellow forumdwellers,
During the past 50 or so days since the forum has been updated, many suggestion were put in the suggestions; Battle Ratings category and many users eagerly participated in the polls, demonstrating that BR changes are widely anticipated by the community, despite this only 4 BR changes were announced in the recent patch notes.

This is exteremely disappointing, I collected all battle rating change suggestions with at least 75% support or higher. All of them are purely BR change suggestions thus each change would only take up a few minutes to do but could be a massive improvement to many players.
@Euthymia07-live @JestersTM please pass these to the devs so they can implement some into the upcoming major update.

Chi-Nu II from BR4 to BR3 (95% voted yes)

Chi nu II still BR4?

For such a long time, people have been saying this tank being BR4 is strange, yet there’s been no response at all. I believe there must be a reason for this. If you know the reason, please write it here. Also, if you think it should be BR3, please write “Yes” in the survey below. Chi nu II should be BR3. poll

Fiat G.55 from BR4 to BR3 (87% voted yes)

Lower the Fiat G.55 to BR3

The Fiat G.55 is currently a BR4 fighter plane, and while it has excellent handling, it belongs on BR3 more than BR4. The turn time of this plane is incredible at 15.59 seconds, but it’s guns and bombs are rather lackluster in comparison; a single 20mm cannon with 250 rounds and four 12.7mm machine guns with 1,200 rounds and a pair of 100 kg bombs. While you can engage other aircraft and bomb the way it is, it is in no way close to other BR3 and BR4 planes. Here’s the stats of the G.55 compared …

StuG III F from BR3 to BR2 (85% voted yes)

StuG III F to BR 2

poll The StuG III F is NOT a BR III Tank destroyer. The StuG III F has armor similar to the Panzer III J1, No machine gun, and It also lacks a turret. Please move it down to BR 2. I have seen people talk about this a lot so I also decided to make a suggestion about this!

FB-3 from BR2 to BR1 (92% voted yes)

Move the FP-3 to BR1

poll [image] The FP3 is currently a BR2 fighter in the US tech tree, but it is underpowered at BR2 and is incredibly similar to an existing BR1 plane. It is pretty average in every regard, four 12.7mm machine guns and two 100 pound bombs. This is the exact same armament as the F2A-3 Buffalo which is already on BR1, and the only noticeable differences between the two is that the FP-3 has 500 more ammo for the 12.7mm machine guns (1800 rounds vs 1300)…

Bf-109 G-14 from BR5 to BR4 (96% voted yes)

Bf 109 g14 ➡️ BR 4

To be considered alongside La-7 to BR 4 (If it has already been suggested, apologies…I did not see it in search history) Move the La-7 to BR4 - Suggestions / Battle Rating - Enlisted No need for a long winded comparison. La-7 is pretty much a copy paste stat wise of the BF 109 G14, except it has the advantage of bombs [image] La-7 has been forwarded for Consideration. Suggestion is, Where La-7 goes, BF 109 G-14 goes poll It also requires a bomb to be added but that has been forwarded alr…

La-7 from BR5 to BR4 (88% voted yes)

Move the La-7 to BR4

poll The La-7 is currently a BR5 fighter for the Soviet Union, and there, it is not as good a choice compared to other planes. The direct competitors are the I-185 M82 and the Su-9. While the La-7 has good flight performance in comparison to these other 2 planes (turn time and climbing speed most notably, although much slower than the Su-9 and worse climb), it simply has a much worse armament than the other 2. While the La-7 has two 20mm cannons with 340 rounds total and two 100kg bombs, the I-1…

A6M3 from BR3 to BR2 (81% voted yes)

Lower the A6M3 to BR2

poll The A6M3 is a fighter currently on BR3, but it is more suited for BR2 in it’s current state. This plane is a slight variation of the A6M2 (which is BR2), and it has the following noticable differences: -It has a drop tank as ordinance, but it isn’t really effective at anything really -80 more rounds for the 20mm cannons (nice, since the A6M2 loses it’s power very fast with the small supply of 20m ammo) and 40 more rounds for the 7.7s (although this is negligible, the difference between 13…

Panzerwerfer 42 from BR4 to BR3 (85% voted yes)

Move the Panzerwerfer 42 to BR3

poll The Panzerwerfer 42 is a rocket artillery vehicle that is currently on BR4, but is underpowered for the battle rating. This is due to a few factors, but one of the largest being it’s armor, which seeing as how it’s essentially a half-track, even heavy machine guns 12.7mm or bigger can destroy it, which you can strafe with on most US and soviet aircraft, can easily cut through the armor, not to mention any anti-tank weapons or cannons. The self-defence capability of this vehicle against inf…

Soumi KP/-31 from BR5 to BR4 (87% voted yes)

Lower the Suomi KP/-31 to BR4

poll The Suomi KP/-31 is a BR5 SMG on a premium squad for Germany, and it is a good gun, but it is more in line with BR4 level weapons. In comparison with the PPD-40 and PPSH 45 which are both located on BR4, most stats are quite similar, however it fires slightly slower than these both (990 vs 1040), but has a slightly faster reload speed (2.9 vs 3.1), however these differences are rather minor, with both guns feeling pretty much the same to use. Because of that, I propose lowing the Suomi KP/-…

Mkb42(H) from BR5 to BR4 (81% voted yes) and (87% voted yes) in two seperate polls!

BR5 -> BR4 for the MKB-42(H)

poll This post was created without the usage of AI. [image] At BR5, the MKB-42 is hopelessly outmatched by the MP-43 and STG-44. On top of that, compared to the STG-45, the MKB-42(H) performs much more like a side-grade, with a slightly higher rof but overall lower accuracy. At BR4, the MKB-42(H) would act as a solid alternative to the Kiraly, trading the higher DPS and higher magazine capacity for better performance at longer distances. I sincerely doubt that it would be broken if moved dow…

Mkb 42(h) -> br4

MKB42 H is obsolete in BR5, and even in BR4 would have rather poor rate of fire and damage potential - but would make for an interesting mid range alternative to Kiralys devastating close range power. Also Germany more or less invented the assault rifle - so it should pretty much be the “assault rifle nation”

IL-10 from BR5 to BR4 (85% voted yes)

Il-10 should put to br4

poll We can see now il-8 had joined to the enlisted with more powerful bombs and it is better operability than il-10.So it seems that il-10 keeping stay in br5 is not a good choice.

Panzer IV/70(V) from BR5 to BR4 (78% voted yes)

BR5 -> BR4 for Panzer IV/70(V)

poll [image] The Panzer IV/70(V) is a solid side-grade to the Panther, trading a turret for a better frontal armor profile while retaining the same cannon. It would be a solid choice for anyone running BR4 who wants a good tank hunter.

Marder III H from BR3 to BR2 (91% voted yes)

BR3 -> BR2 for the Marder III H

poll [image] The Marder III H is yet another side-grade to a vehicle in a lower BR, this time being the Marder III. It has better cover for the still-exposed crew and slightly better performance on its APCBC round, but it’s held back by its ammo load out. [image] The Marder III H loses HE rounds and APCBC rounds and instead gets APCR, which is situational at best and detrimental at worst, meaning that if you live long enough then eventually the Marder III will have better firepower.

Panzer IV/70(A) from BR4 to BR3 (76% voted yes)

BR4 -> BR3 for the Panzer IV/70 (A)

poll [image] The Panzer IV/70(A) is another side-grade to the Panzer IV(H), trading the turret for a slightly better armor profile and an upgrade in firepower. It retains the same weak spots as its turreted brother, making it killable even by most BR2 tanks it would face.

Jagdpanzer IV from BR4 to BR3 (79% voted yes)

BR4 -> BR3 for the Jagpanzer IV

poll [image] Similarly to the Panzer IV/70(V), the Jagpanzer IV is a side-grade to its respective BR’s main tank, this time being the Panzer IV(H). The Jagpanzer IV trades a turret for a better frontal armor profile while retaining the same firepower.

Ho-Ni III from BR3 to BR2 (90% voted yes)

Move the Ho-Ni III to br2

Than what about Ho-Ni I, down to BR1? The current dilemma is that TD is not needed in the game.

Horn StG from BR5 to BR4 (86% voted yes)

Move Horn STG to BR IV

poll Hello comrades! The Horn STG shares almost identical stats with the STG-45 which already is in BR IV. So my suggestion is, move the Horn STG to BR IV.

[GeneralBrus]

Well, Euthymia07 did confirm that some of those will actually change, so this means simply “not yet”, or did the devs change their minds?

[BaronBrahman-live]

I don’t get why the Devs downtired the Thompson 50 round drum but uptired the Tokyo arsenal, how can they justify this?

[Valkay]

I think that the last BR changes (KV-2, 15cm SIG) were controversial, but with the poll system its way easier to track popularity now and honestly its unfair to punish everyone because some questionable changes were made once (all thanks to a clan Im not going to name)

[Valkay]

Ppsh41 and Mp717(r) still on BR5 too…
1928A1 50 is way better (at least IMO) than the ppsh.
Not to mention that Mp717(r) is basically identical to the Ppd40 which is BR4.

The whole BR system is a joke now.

[Adamnpee]

@Valkay

Panzerwerfer 42 from BR4 to BR3 (85% voted yes)

No matter how many people voted yes, this is straight up toxic and terrible suggestion. Especially as long as there’s no ±0 MM.

And I am saying this as owner of panzerwerfer.

[GeneralBrus]

I think, Panzerwerfer should get a speed boost - so that it can cycle between ammo refill points faster.

[Adamnpee]

Either mobility buff that or getting straight up more rockets, something like 10/30 instead of current 10/10

[Valkay]

@Adamnpee

straight up toxic

Its far more toxic to put this artillery truck on the same BR as a literal tank with working main gun multiple machine guns and rockets.

But anyway, we are just two opinions here.

[Adamnpee]

@Valkay

Its far more toxic to put this artillery truck on the same BR as a literal tank with working main gun mulitple machine guns and rockets

Not comparable at all. You can easily destroy majority of US BR3-5 tanks with panzerwerfer’s rockets. Meanwhile Calliope struggles against majority of German BR4-5 tanks even with its main gun. And its rockets are pretty much useless against those tanks.

There’s no reason for lowering Panzerwerfer. Its performance wouldn’t be affected at all. It would only bring it to lower BR matches against less skilled people.

[OggeKing]

I find it a little laughable that they’re planning to uptier the Patchett to BR II, with zero stat changes (not even a damage boost to standard 9mm levels), despite the fact that the only topic discussing a BR change (or any change to the gun for that matter) is this one:

Change the stats of the new Patchett and make it BR III

Change the stats of the new Patchett and make it BR III [image] Introduction Well then - fancy seeing all of you here again! And no, you’re not experiencing déjà vu (sorry for the Fr*nch); this is indeed another Patchett suggestion. The previous topic laid out a clear and widely supported idea: the Patchett Machine Carbine Mk I deserved its rightful place as a BR III Commonwealth SMG in the Allied Tech Tree, a proper late-war option reflecting both its design and its role/meaning in British …

Did they… Missunderstand the reason for why I asked for it to be moved to BR III…? It was never about balance…

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@Valkay

I collected all battle rating change suggestions with at least 75% support or higher. All of them are purely BR change suggestions thus each change would only take up a few minutes to do

I know the this Patchett suggestion is technicly off-topic because of this, but still felt like I should mention it…

[Valkay]

Yeah, I wanted to complain about that too, but ultimately decided to save that for another day and be constructive only.

[X_BloodBandit_X]

@Valkay

1928A1 50 is way better (at least IMO) than the ppsh.

Lol. German bias so funny. Most those suggestions are ridiculous and of course they going to get voted in because most people here favor germany

[Valkay]

@X_BloodBandit_X

people here favor germany

@Valkay

FB-3 from BR2 to BR1 (92% voted yes)

@Valkay

La-7 from BR5 to BR4 (88% voted yes)

@Valkay

A6M3 from BR3 to BR2 (81% voted yes)

Yeah def German mains

[X_BloodBandit_X]

@Valkay

The Suomi KP/-31

God-tier smg. No reason it needs to be on br4. No assault rifles other than horn should be down tiered.

@Valkay

Yeah def German mains

Literally all of those things have a negligible impact on germany otherwise they would be majority no. Just like apcbc for chaffee even though y’all voted for stugs to br2 and 3. Have marder in br2, and already have comparable stats to it already elsewhere.

[Adamnpee]

@X_BloodBandit_X

God-tier smg. No reason it needs to be on br4. No assault rifles other than horn should be down tiered.

Same opinion. Especially since they decided to increase its dmg (I really like the decision).

[Valkay]

@X_BloodBandit_X

negligible impact

La-7, Best non-jet fighter of USSR negligible?

@X_BloodBandit_X

stugs to br2

No MG, no turret, poor mobility, few shells, same armour as BR1 Panzer III J. Only thing going for it is the cannon which is BR3 worthy but everything else is about isn’t.

@X_BloodBandit_X

apcbc for chaffee

Im amazed that you are still going on about this, you are salty and you call everyone German mains that don’t agree with your ideas.
Just for you to know, most of the people that voted against your suggestion were Allied mains.

Same way if I got delusional enough to suggest something like Tiger II P on BR4, all sane Axis mains would send me to touch grass.

[GeneralBrus]

@Adamnpee

It would only bring it to lower BR matches against less skilled people.

I feel like there are more skilled players and veterans playing low BR.

[Valkay]

I personally doubt devs would downtier Soumi kp31 since they just announced Tokyo Arsenal BR increase and are going to buff both Ppsh41 and Mp717(r) too.
But I did include it, because I included every suggestion that fit the 75% support criteria regardless of my own opinion.

It seems that devs want some SMGs to be BR5.
While most the community obviously voted yes because most people believe that SMGs are not worthy for BR5.

Another proof why constant BR changes are necessary since Enlisted balance is changing dynamically.

[Adamnpee]

@Valkay

It seems that devs want some SMGs to be BR5.

I am really glad they have decided for this way.

@Valkay

most people believe that SMGs are not worthy for BR5.

Straight up terrible opinion. There are plenty of BR5 classes that can only equip SMGs and not ARs/SF.