The Panzer IV/70(A) is another side-grade to the Panzer IV(H), trading the turret for a slightly better armor profile and an upgrade in firepower. It retains the same weak spots as its turreted brother, making it killable even by most BR2 tanks it would face.
I gotta say no, this is fine in the BR it’s in currently
Nah
Well, it’s not fine being on BR 4 actually. There’s no reason to use this vehicle on BR 4 over other BR 4 vehicles such as Panthers and Tiger 1 H. If it’s only marginally bad compared to other vehicles on BR 4 then it should remains on BR 4 but it really isn’t. Normally, this kind of TD vehicles usually have some kind of advantage be it better armor, better reload speed or even lower BR but this vehicle is just straight up downgrade. We already know that the armor on this thing is very flawed and even BR 3 vehicles will have no problem penetrating it but what i want to talk about is it’s main gun.
Compared to the Panther, the Panzer IV/70(A) not only gets the same reload speed but actually has a worse gun depression value and less ammo than the Panther. That’s awful considering that it’s a casemated TD without turret. And if you think about it, it really is more fitting on BR 3 rather than on BR 4. What you get is basically just Panzer 4 H level protection vehicle without turret but a better gun with worse gun depression. There’s a reason that this vehicle is only 4.3 BR on Warthunder despite it having basically the same gun as Panther.
Nah man the problem is that soviets can’t do a shit to It frontally wen playing br2
Dear lord, wouldnt that be horrible if soviets had to face same issues as others against KV1 ?
Anyway, even BT7 can frontally pen it.
Its the sloped armor below driver slit, left side results rather often OHK as theres conveniently ammo rack behind it.
Japanese can’t do anything against T-44-100 to It frontally when playing 4 BR, yet you support adding it to the game.
Man they can cupola i already killed T-44s wen grinding the Ho Ri using the Chi Ri also whats the problem with that wen soviets can’t do a shit to Ho Ris wen using BR4 same against Germany, the only BR5 tank they can kill properly is the Tiger 2 P soo stop crying mate why you think they didn’t added the KV-1E and KV-1B because Br2 wouldn’t do a shit to them
Right.
This is not true because -
That part can be penetrated by even T-28 and one shots this tank with no problem whatsoever as you can see.
So basically this entire parts. Which is a huge weak spot.
Also, theoretically, Su-76 and M3 Lee will have no problem penetrate the flat 80mm part on the hull(Altho, you could make an argument that they are premium and this vehicle is in TT which is fair point).
Adding on what @YUI_SaltyPlayer was showing, the plate there is incredibly thin, so just about any tank with an actual cannon an half a brain are needed to penetrate it.
using the T50 for example
Yeah ik that tiny plate exist didn’t remenbered It anyway that don’t change that probably the jagpanzer will be camping behind a hill and because the good depression and armor nothing will be able to kill It
And that don’t change that you are this for him
Well you got point there, if only other tanks could also camp at hills but I suppose its only jagpanzer that can do such.
you also got point here, the weakspots seems to be exactly same size.
Only with that differency that jag is behind hill so nothing can touch it and sovjet seems to have extremely generous weakspots relatively easy to hit.
Good points there.
You see that little red square there? It’s a tall vehicle with only -5 gun depression angle. So i have no idea what you are talking about when you say that it has the good depression and camping behind the hill.
Also about your T-28 screenshot. Yes. BR 3 vehicle can most of time absolutely have no problem penetrate BR 2 vehicles whatsoever like that. Surprised Pikachu face.
With the thing I said before is that is very easy hide the weak plate behind a rock,dirt mountain(quarry) ,rubles of berlin,or stalingrad or stuff like that and because the tank is tall is better for do such things It would bully people on tunisia but USA have good tanks for deal with It easier also a better AT canon
All right, then it really is impossible for soviets.
True, thats why I usually have rocks, dirt and mountains in my inventory so I can setup them in any spot I wish.
Rather than, try to find that one spot where I can actually do something and have my weakspots hidden.
True, thank god the KV isnt issue in any moscow maps for example and definitely isnt used for bullying BR2. Unfortunately the KV’s biggest weakspot the bottom plate cant be hidden behind ruble or rocks.
Granted that you can pen those KV cheeks too but good luck with frontal flanking it with BR2 tank.
Its just that iconic thing why ppl uses it and always wish to get uptiered.
And planes, If I recall soviets doesnt have any of those. the flying tank IL-2 for example is japanese if I recall.
Nah
He doesn’t care about your reason/rationale. He votes NO because their is something wrong with him, not because he has a valid objection.
