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The Panzer IV/70(V) is a solid side-grade to the Panther, trading a turret for a better frontal armor profile while retaining the same cannon. It would be a solid choice for anyone running BR4 who wants a good tank hunter.
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See I’m very conflicted about this one, because in a ±0 BR system absolutely, its completely out of place at BR5, but at BR4 atm its immune to all of BR3 except the M10, and even the M10 would struggle greatly against it,
imo its yet another reason for a BR “3.5” to be added, to allow this to move into BR4.
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It’s not really gonna be any worse to deal with than something like a Panther or a Tiger in a downtier. You’re still gonna have to shoot the barrel and tracks, get a side shot, or aim for weak spots. Also 105 Sherman once again one shots everything short of a King Tiger.
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You can fight both the Tiger and panther head on without Track and Barrel Torture (TBT), in fact dare I say its borderline fun to do so, this however is a low profile TD, lacking both the weak turret cheeks of the panther or the turret ring of the Tiger.
Also lets not have the meta be KV 2 and Sherman 105 only please?
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Dude the meta already is the 105 Sherman, and as for weak spots you just need to abuse the shot trap. Aim for the gun, even if you undershoot chances are you’ll hit the shot trap and end up knocking out the transmission, hitting a fuel tank, and/or killing crew. It’s different, that doesn’t mean it’s more difficult
And if you can’t kill it frontally, flank it, use a plane, or use infantry
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At least atm, the 105mm only has an edge over the 75mm shermans, so you can still see diversity at that BR. The 105mm sherman is just yet another for reason for that BR 3.5 idea to be implemented.
As for shot trapping, its extremely hard to do in game, basically impossible actually, and thats assuming a stationary target, there is no way to do it against a casemate armoured TD that has learnt the ultimate power move of, “wiggle ±5 degrees on reload”.
Also your not regarding the difficultly of the Normandy maps (Or Tunisa for that matter) into this equation with limited playable area, the complete inability to flank many positions, and the vulnerability of aircraft (not to mention how much this arguement ignores the F2P community and would fuck them over).
Really in an uptier it just comes down to skill, do you know where to shoot, do you know where a good position is, do you know to wiggle, etc etc.
But also you can overpressure the Pazner IV/70(V) from the bottom with the HE of a Sherman fairly easily. So really if you just know what you’re doing then it shouldn’t be much more of a problem than something like a Panther or a Tiger.
Shooting beneath a tank just doesnt work normally, the damage model is too inconsistant for such shots, also thats just a silly way to do it.
Also there are endless positions, even certain bits of rubble on certain maps that would make it entirely invincible.
Atm, the only way I could see it going down to BR4, is with the removal of 90% of its HE complement, otherwise its just going to be an existence that will cause countless issues.
As I said before, its a vehicle among many others which are stuck in limbo due to a fundemental lack of expression in the BR range.
I don’t know man that’s too harsh for something that just seems like a skill issue at this point, shoot the tracks and barrel, if you can’t do that then shoot the weak spots, and if you can’t do that then switch your tank out for a plane. The Panzer IV/70(V) is far from immune frontally let alone from the side.
Main issue is, the damage model in game for all tanks has been broken for ages, meaning 95% of the time, barrel shots dont work, not knocking out the barrel, also with how linear most of the maps are, something like the 4/70V becomes invincible since it cant be flanked and cant be ambushed by infantry except for guerrillas, and even that can be a pain if they are in their spawn.
Also, if you shoot either the track or barrel, 95% chance they will return fire and instantly kill you in turn, its a seal clubbing vehicle at BR4.
But this could at least be justified if it became a dedicated tank hunter like it often was irl, so infantry wouldnt be completely shut down by it as well, allowing even BR3 players to have an option at counterplay.
Though the ideal solution would be that 3.5 BR I and others have mentioned before, so this could move to BR4, while this BR3.5 could be filled with the likes of the KV-1/KV-2, Jagdpanzer 4, M4A1 76, Chi To, etc etc.
the only way of making any Jagdpanzer IV worth using without breaking the game is by giving the short barreled current BR4 Jagdpanzer IV (L48) its correct armor values of 80mm.
both long and short canon Jagdpanzer IV actually historically had 80mm of armor - just a very few first prototype Jagdpanzer IV had 60 mm of armor, that got sent to the front lines because Germany was loosing big time at the end of the war, and Germany needed as many tanks on the front line as possible.
actually even some Jagdpanzer IV got equipped with the shorter L42 Panzer IV F2 gun because they still had some laying around.
BR4 Jagdpanzer IV with Panzer IV H gun would be the equivalent to heavy armored tanks like Jumbo - bad gun for its BR, but better armor → or in other words: If a bad Panther without weak spot would still be too much for BR4, give Jagdpanzer IV said L42 gun - that one has like 10mm less penetration, and has for what ever reason bad post pen damage in the game.
The Panzer IV/70(V) can be front penned by both the M9 Bazooka and Panzerfaust. So if by some miracle the stars align and it gets in a spot where it can’t be easily flanked by infantry, it can’t be bombed, a tank duel is a guaranteed loss, etc, then one guy with an AT gunner could always just lob rounds at it until it’s either crippled or dead.
But most maps if you really wanna kill it with a BR3 tank you just get even the slightest of flanks and send a round through the side, cause again it has terrible side armor.
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If it’s modeled in War Thunder then it’d be cool to see that as a separate vehicle, if it’s not in War Thunder then unfortunately the best you’re gonna get is track armor.
You know what, you make a very fair point there, Im still concerned about it being a menace in the Grey zone, but what tank isnt, I gotta agree with it being moved to BR4, testing it, the track armour actually protects most of it, but you can make a difficult but fair shot to hit the ammo on the sides from the front.
The point is for it to be a challenge in a head on duel, because that’s where its strength ends.