Suggestion for Normandy Campaign restructure and rebalance

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As we have repeatedly seen complaints in regards to balance in the forums for the Normandy campaign across a variety of topics, be it vehicles or weapons, and in consideration for future campaign levels, I would like to put forth a more structured suggestion to adjust and change a variety of campaign unlocks, including to make them somewhat more symmetrical. I also ask other members of the community to bring forward their thoughts as to how they think it would be best to implement such, and so on, and will edit this post as necessary to best put forward as much of a consensus as possible from those of us on the forums who have been discussing such issues as the FG 42 and Sherman Jumbo and other points of balance concern.

Suggestion table as follows;
Campaign Level | Class Unlock | Allies | Axis

  1. Trooper 1, Sniper 1, Assaulter 1 | M1903 Springfield / Ross Rifle / M1903A1 Springfield / M3 SMG | Kar98k / Mannlicher M1895 / Kar98k with scope mount / MP 34(o)
  2. Engineer 1 | M1 Carbine | FNAB-43
  3. No Class | M3A1 SMG | MP 40
  4. Fighter Pilot 1 | P38 G1 | BF-109 G6
  5. Tanker 1 | M5A1 Stuart | Sd.Kfz 234/2
  6. Flame Trooper 1 | M1 Flamethrower | Flammenwerfer 35
  7. Radio Operator 1 | M1 Garand | Gewehr 43
  8. Bomber 1 | PIAT | Kar 98k with AT Grenade Launcher (Gross Panzergranate 46)
  9. No Class | P-51C-10 | BF-109 G10
  10. No Class | M8 Scott | Sd.Kfz.234/3
  11. Gunner 1 | Bren Mk II | Breda Mod. 30
  12. Mortarman 1 | Two-inch Mortar | Granatwerfer 36
  13. No Class | Winchester Model 1912 | Beretta M1918
  14. Attacker Pilot 1 | A-20 | Bf 110 G2
  15. No Class | M10 Wolverine | Stug.III Ausf G
  16. Trooper 2 | M1 Carbine with Grenade Launcher | Kar98k with Grenade Launcher
  17. Sniper 2 | Springfield M1903A4 | Sniper Gewehr 43
  18. Bomber 2 | M1A1 Bazooka (M6A2 Rocket) | Panzerfaust 30
  19. No Class | Sten | MP 35/l
  20. No Class | M4A2 Sherman | Pz.IV J
  21. No Class | M1918A1 BAR | FG 42 I
  22. Engineer 2 | M1/M2 Carbine (renaming of M2 Carbine for historical accuracy) | MP 43/1
  23. Assaulter 2 | Lanchester | ZK-383
  24. Figher Pilot 2 | P-38J | FW-190 A8
  25. Tanker 2 | M4A3 Sherman (105mm) | Pz.III N
  26. Flame Trooper 2 | M2 Flamethrower | Flammenwerfer 41
  27. No Class | Remington Model 8 | RSC M1917
  28. Bomber 3 | M9 Bazooka (M6A3 Rocket) | Panzerfaust 60
  29. No Class | M1A1 Thompson | Beretta M38 (40 rounds)
  30. No Class | M4A1 76mm (W) | Pz.IV H
  31. Gunner 2 | M1918A2 BAR | MG 34
  32. No Class | P-51D-5 | Me 410 B-1
  33. Assaulter 3 | M1928 Thompson (50 round drum) | Suomi KP/-31 (50 round drum)
  34. Attacker Pilot 2 | P-47D-28 | Ju-188A2
  35. No Class | M4A3E2 Jumbo (75mm) [Replace with Sherman VC (Firefly)?] | Pz.V Panther D
  36. Trooper 3 | Johnson M1941 LMG | FG 42 III
  37. Sniper 3 | Sniper Garand | FG 42 II
  38. Mortarman 2 | 81mm M1 Mortar | 8 cm Granatwerfer 34
  39. No Class | M1919A6 Browning | MG 42
  40. No Class | M4A3E2 Jumbo (76mm) | Pz.V Panther A

Premium / Gold Weapon Order Weapons / vehicles:
M1903 with Peterson Device | Schmeisser Mk.36III
M2 Hyde | MP 28
M50 Reising | Erma EMP
M3 Field Modification | MP 18
Johnson M1941 Rifle | Gewehr 41
Browning M1918 | Browning wz. 1928
Lewis “assault phase” rifle | MG35/36
Winchester Model 1907/17 | Mkb.42
M1917 Enfield | Gewehr 98/40
M24 Chaffee | Pz.IIIM
M4 “Crocodile” | Flammwagen auf Panzerkampfwagen B-2 (f)
P-51C-10 (Premium) | Bf. 109 G-6 (Premium)

Edit Notes:
(Edit 1: Included note for possible replacement of 75mm Jumbo with Sherman Firefly)
(Edit 2: Suggest replacing the Sturmpistole with a Kar98k With Grenade Launcher firing the Gross Panzergranate 46, Swapped the Bazooka and PIAT’s positions, replaced the M6A1 [~60-65mm pen] rocket with the M6A2 rocket [~75-80mm pen] in the M1A1 Bazooka suggestion, now that it’s at a higher position in the campaign tree suggestion and positioned against the Panzerfaust 30.)
(Edit 3: Added Gold / Premium weapon section)
(Edit 4: Added Premium planes I forgot about.)

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I dont see a major problem here.

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this seems like an amazing idea

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Number 35 Shouldn’t be the M4A3E2, switch with Sherman VC (Firefly)

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Or a Churchill

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are u high Churchill for Americans get that nincompoop idea outta here

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Its Allies, not just US.

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firefly maybe cause they ordered some not many

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I would generally agree, however to the best of my knowledge the devs have stated they have no intention to remove or replace the 75mm Jumbo with any other tank, as such I include it. I will add in a note for replacement with a firefly, however. I do not believe a Churchill would be a good idea, however, as it would be effectively just a more awkward Jumbo, with any churchill that we’d see. I’d also like to avoid tanks with excessive side armor to ensure anti-tank weapons remain effective regardless of level - the same reason I don’t include the Tiger 1 here.

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and i emphasis maybe m26 super perishing would be best lets keep american gear with the usa so that way i can face a tiger 1 heavy tank would be cool other than jumbo its a heavy tank with marsh mellow armor

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The M26 super pershing is an equivalent to the Tiger 2, not the Tiger 1. Regardless, we shouldn’t see any Pershings in the Normandy campaign, as Pershings didn’t reach Europe until 1945 - as such, Pershings, and the Super Pershing by extension, would be something for a Battle of the Bulge campaign - not the Normandy Campaign, which is limited to 1944 equipment according to the devs.

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yes but the t25 was in 44 almost the same tank beter to have perishing than churchhill

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they didnt want to send the perishings but they ended up sending them any way
perishing and tiger battle would be nice switch up

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Neither the T25 nor T26 were in Europe until 1945. Thus, they cannot be in the Normandy campaign.

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Panthers are way ahead of hte equivalents you have given the allies.

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are you sure? because panthers weighs as much as 45 tons most of that is frontal armor like jumbo

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How are Panthers “way ahead” of the Jumbo shermans? Especially when infantry interaction is taken into account, with the slower turret traverse rates and lower HE filler of the Panthers, roughly equal frontal armor performance against one another (at least on the 76mm sherman vs Panther A), similar overall mobility and weight, etc?

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Panthers can kill Jumbo and every other allied tank from front - only Firefly can kill Panthers from front.

That is a pretty big imbalance.

Panthers can’t be balanced, neither can Jumbo, but at different levels

Apart from the above - Pantehr turret traverse is slower - but it is not “slow” - assuming htey are useing WT figures it is about 16 deg/sec, which is quite respectable.

Panther has MORE HE than Sherman 75 gun - 720g to 660g - although at those amounts I don’t think it’s a great difference.

Panther is appreciably more mobile than Jumbo - wider tracks and about 2hp more per ton.

The one weakness Panther does have is side armour - but a bit of care and that wil only be a rare problem for it.

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ah i misunderstood what you meant

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Fair enough - it’s a reasonable question and I should have explained but busy playing too :slight_smile:

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