Except the Panther can be killed from the front through the turret, commander’s cupola, and MG port by the 76mm, as the turret front and MG port only have 95mm of effective armor, and the commander’s cupola only has 120mm of armor from the front, vs ~150mm of pen from the 76. (Also the turret can be penned with the 75mm, if it were given historically correct ammo, e.g. M61)
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The Jumbo’s turret and Transmission’s armor / LFP are immune to the Panther’s shells;
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The Jumbo also can reasonably expect to bounce a number of panther shots if it angles at 20-30 degrees, with the exception of the MG port weakspot.
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Acxtually din’t fully note you posted Jumbo 76 - which is certainly better than the 75 and probably the best the allies are going to get - but it is still outclassed by Panther.
I don’t see the 76 being able to pen some weak spots (with perfect angling or lack of it) as equivalent to the Panther being able to penetrate a nice bog massive section of its front hull without ccareful aiming.
You thought the Panther having less HE than the 75 was a balancing point agains tthe Panther - but the 76mm HE has a much lower HE load than the 75 at only 63 grams - that’s only a little more than the 37mm of the M5 - so you REALLY lose out on the anti-infantry function there 
I’ll take back a bit of the AP comparison - my mistake - but the Jumbo is still outclassed even wit ha 76.
It’s a basic problem with Enlisted because it doesn’t have any economic or effectiveness measure/purchase system whereby you can make hte Panther “more expensive”…
I’m only doing Premium month by month until Tunisia comes out - but not hopefull of anything reasonable coming with that 
The Panther still can’t pen the Jumbo’s turret, so it’s not just “everywhere except the LFP” It’s a case of “The Jumbo can pen the Panther’s turret and some weak spots. The Panther can pen the Jumbo’s UFP, unless the jumbo angles, and then the panther can only pen some weak spots.” The turret isn’t exactly a small target on the Panther, and unlike the Jumbo’s hull which you can angle to reduce your chance of being penetrated, the panther’s turret is always going to be a weakspot if it’s fighting a Jumbo.
There’s a reason that the Jumbo 76 has sat around or above the Panther’s BR in warthunder consistently for years.
Yeah - I edited while you were replying about UFP sorry.
But WT is a completely different game - you rarely see Jumbo 76’s (or if you do then it’s not for long!) because at 6.0 they are targets for big nasty guns that they no longer have enough armour to resist.
If you’d just said “It’s the best the Americans get” then I agree and that would be that.
But you decided to argue specific qualitative points to establish an exact equivlanece, and you’ve shifted your own goalposts (no longer mentioning HE for example) - I give different value to those points and disagree.
I agree on the HE load, I made the mistake of thinking the Sherman’s HE load was larger than the Panther. I still think the 75mm Jumbo would be considerably better vs infantry than the Panther D. I think that the 76mm Sherman Jumbo and Panther A are on relatively even ground with each other tank vs tank. While I’m aware they are different games, Enlisted is (at least supposedly) using damage models from Warthunder, thus it should be relatively straight comparisons in tank vs tank considerations.
I’m also not contending an exact equivalence, what I am contending is they should have a generalized equivalence, e.g. in the same ballpark, and/or as close as you’re going to get.
- Bomber 1 | M1A1 Bazooka (M6A1 Rocket) | Sturmpistole
no
I hope one day they stop all the BS and have shorter campaigns that you unlock as you progress. No stupid Springfields and guns that US Soldiers didn’t use in Normandy. No Jumbos, No M2 Carbines…
A shorter campaign and campaigns that lean into each other.
Panzer faust should be the AT weapon not the Sturmpistole
should have a cosmetic system fill out the campaign levels instead of introducing weapons in a terrible fashion
Why? M6A1 Rockets only had 60-65mm of armor penetration.
Panzerfaust 30’s and 60’s are on the list at higher levels, though?
The Bazooka had a about 100mm (other sources say 76mm) of penetration while the sturmpistole only has a pen of about 50 mm
You’re thinking of the M9 bazooka, or more specifically, the M6A3 HEAT rocket which was the standard round for the M9 bazooka.
The Earlier M6A1 HEAT rocket only had 60-65mm of penetration. The interim M6A2 rocket had 75-80mm of penetration and was also used in M1A1 Bazookas.
All three types of HEAT rockets were in use in 1944.
Edit: Also, the Sturmpistole’s Panzerwurfkörper 42 HEAT round was rated for penetrating 80mm of RHA at at flat angle, not 50mm.
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the t25 was in europe in 44 not 45 thats when they sent all of them they sent a few for europe to judge if they would kill tiger and panthers before 45
Source 1; "However, by mid 1944, some forty T25s had already been produced for service, but due to the fear that the electric transmission would be too complicated for field mechanics, these production models were also kept in storage, never to reach the front. "
Source 2; " The T25 and T25E1 tanks continued on in the Armored Board and Ordnance Dept. as test pieces for other projects. The T25 in Armored Board stayed in testing until the 28th of September, 1944, before their focus also switched to the T26 series. The Ordnance Dept. converted a T25E1 tank into a T26E3 variant to test for various modifications that would go onto the redesigning of the T26E1 into the T26E3. The T25E1 was also tested with various of guns like a 90 mm gun T14. There was also a proposal to mount a 105 mm T5E1 gun, but this never passed the concept drawing stages.
The T26 and T26E1 models, now the main focus of the Ordnance Dept. and Armored Board, had the defects found from field testing fixed by late 1944. This polished variant was designated the T26E3 . This tank, with an order of 250 already made since January of 1944, went on into production that November, with 40 tanks delivered by the end of the year. The T26E3, in a bid for further testing, was sent to Europe for combat evaluation on the field against German armour. The T26E3 would provide sterling service against German heavy tanks like the Panther and Tiger I. The T26E3 tank was then finally accepted and standardized on March 1945 in Army Ground Forces as the M26 Pershing"
Source 3; “Despite the positive test results, preference was given to the heavier T26E1, the booking of which made it possible to fight new German tanks at comparable distances, which was critically important for the European theater of operations. All T25E1 tanks of the pilot batch remained in the United States and later some of them were used for various kinds of experiments up to 1948-1949.”
T25’s were never in Europe.
they still sent a few for testing
T26’s in 1945, yes; T25’s, not according to any source I have available to me. Neither of which were in Europe in 1944 insofar as I can find. If you have a book source or the like, please do share it, but to the best of my knowledge, the T25 was never sent to Europe, and the T26’s were not in Europe in 44.
Edit; for example, as per the three sources I posted above, all of which stated the T25 never left the USA whatsoever.
Edited OP; Replaced the Sturmpistole with a Kar98k With Grenade Launcher firing the Gross Panzergranate 46, Swapped the Bazooka and PIAT’s positions, replaced the M6A1 [~60-65mm pen] rocket with the M6A2 rocket [~75-80mm pen] in the M1A1 Bazooka suggestion, now that it’s at a higher position in the campaign tree suggestion and positioned against the Panzerfaust 30 instead of being a counterpart of the Sturmpistole.
Following my thoughts built from other thread discussions, I figured it would make things better counterparts to one another, as the higher power german AT rifle grenades are closer counterparts to the PIAT. Meanwhile, the Bazooka and Panzerfaust are iconic counterparts even if they should play considerably differently.
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Awesome Ideas Evaris! I would love to see the Campaign reworked as many would. 