Type 2 6.5x30mm

As we all know, Japan doesn’t have an assault rifle, so I bring the solution


Experimental Submachine Gun Type II A

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History of Experimental Submachine Gun Type II A

The Type II A was intended for army cavalry units requiring a portable automatic weapon more reliable and lighter than the Type 11 machine gun (model 1922), weighing less than 10.19 kg. This 6.5 mm. model was tested for power and the ability to hit targets in winter uniforms at distances of up to 700 meters at the Futsu proving grounds.
Different sources indicate different parameters for the weight, length, and capacity of the Type II submachine gun chambered for the special 6.5 mm cartridge (from 2.8 to 3.8 kg., from 638 to 700 mm., 30 or 35 rounds).
A total of no more than 4 units of this model were manufactured.

caliber 6.5x30mm
30-round horn magazine
total length 709 mm
with type 30 bayonet length 1090 mm.
barrel length 229 mm
rate of fire 600-800 rounds per minute
weight 3.8 kg
weight 3430 gr. (without magazine and cartridges), sector sight up to 600 meters.
Units manufactured: 4 or less

Source

Японские пистолеты-пулеметы.(продолжение): lautlesen — LiveJournal

How I would like to see it added (I'm doing this because of the forum rules)

Assault Rifle
BR5
Tech Tree
Japan would have an assault rifle like all nations
Fills the assault rifle gap in Japan
Japan would have a counterpart to the Hyde M1944 and in the future Fedorov Avmorat.

The Experimental Submachine Gun Type II A should be added to the game?
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I think this suggestion fits all the forum rules.

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I usually don’t like prototypes in TT, but Japan is the only exception that I have, as they would have no content without prototypes lol

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The photo shows a Nambu Model 2 Otsu submachine gun (Type 2 in the game) chambered for 8mm Nambu. Here’s my little investigation.

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I recently did some research about submachine guns to add for Japan and I must say that we are scraping the barrel here.
Soviets at least have prototype submachine guns even if most of those are not unique at all.
Allies have both Britain and French SMG, Axis are set for life with all thr Italian, Czech and Finish submachine guns alone.
But Japan barely used SMG due to its MG centric doctrine and most of their submachine guns are foreign imports in low numbers.
Only a few Axis SMG like Beretta 38/43 (50 bought) Mp40 (some bought alongside panzers) are left to add.
If we include SMGs used by Japanese puppet states and ally Siam, we can give them SIG MKMO (SIG MP1930 to be exact), Mp35/I (used by Thai police).
I don’t know how to fill up Japan without captured weapons :neutral_face:

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Unfortunately, I was never able to find the original sources in the form of Japanese documentation.

  1. As far as I know, we have no evidence that they reached Japan.

  2. Even if they were sent, they were sent in very small quantities, just for testing purposes. It would be as strange as giving Germany a Thompson rifle and a Thompson M1923 submachine gun just because the latter had been tested in Germany.

There are some variants. The Tokyo Arsenal submachine gun, 1927, with an 18-round box magazine.
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We also have prototypes of the Type 100 - Model 3, Model 3A and Model 3B.

There’s also a Tokyo Arsenal submachine gun from 1928. The weapon’s dimensions have been preserved to this day; I compared them with the weapon in the photo, and the ratio of barrel length to overall length matches my data perfectly.

sadly it’s the only we have left

Im aware of these but none of these are new, just another variant.
Tokyo Arsenal would be interesting but another Type 100? We havent had a type 100 in the BP yet but what else is there to do with it?

The best I can offer is Tsing Tao type 16 but it should be identical to SIG 1920 in most regards so its worthless for tech tree.
And Bestigui MM-34 as a BR1 SMG.

Japan has other options for full-auto pistols anyway.

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Well you can ask the author :

Dragons Of Fire

or post on the forum but the author is not done with his project he only made a small book :

Dragons Of Fire
About Japanese SMGs but his big project will include a lot more then just smgs. But I have found the author credible enough he is also featured on forgotten weapons.