Feedback on Preliminary balance changes in the testing of the "Far Eastern Front"

[X_BloodBandit_X]

@Valkay

ironic that the same disadvantages dont matter for you on Axis vehicles.

Stug is way more viable than alecto. There’s no argument there.

And its does matter or else I’d say the sturm should be br4 with that kind of fire power

Brs should be set in accordance to enemy tank comparisons and not your own

[Valkay]

@X BloodBandit X@live

Brs should be set in accordance to enemy tank comparisons

GG.
lets compare 15cm sig than.
most comparable vehicle in game: Alecto (BR2)
better tanks in similar roles: KV-2, M4A3 (105), Chi-Ha short gun… All BR3.
enclosed, machine gun, turret, KV-2 and M4A3 are well armoured too.

[ZOMBERWARRIOR15-live]

@Valkay

thats not even the biggest issue with 15cm sig though.
Open top and paper armour is.
I tried 15cm sig the first time I unlocked it than revert back to Panzer IV F1 because slower reload for bigger bomma with all the downsides is simply not worth it.
But anyway, you made a fool of yourself.

X BloodBandit X@live:

Dregoz even made a post detailing all of his weaknesses so that he would stay in BR 2

[Darenius1]

@Adamnpee

You can easily destroy majority of US BR3-5 tanks with panzerwerfer’s rockets.

And yet fail to kill a single tank from the USSR above BR 2.

[GeneralBrus]

@X BloodBandit X@live

Lol. German bias so funny. Most those suggestions are ridiculous and of course they going to get voted in because most people here favor germany

Whats ridiculous about those suggestions exactly?

[GasMasters-live]

Agree with this, rather disappointing those were the only changes this update especially after the poll system was introduced. I think suggestions with 60+ percent approval could also be implemented, but as more of a trial change instead of a permanent one since the votes are a bit more divided, lasting the duration of one major update to test how the change affects balance. If there aren’t any problems, it stays, but if it’s too strong, it gets moved back. Here’s all of the ones with 60+ percent that you didn’t already list.

SIG 150mm to BR3 (61% approval)

BR3 -> BR2 for the 15 cm SIG

poll [image] I feel like this one might be the most controversial, but the 15 cm Sig does not deserve to be BR3. It’s main strength is it’s raw firepower, but it’s entire crew is exposed and it has no armor on top of being a case mate. I’ve personally never had a problem facing it because they are ridiculously easy to kill, that’s the whole point. Compared to something like the M8 Scott I believe this is valid. It also doesn’t have a machine gun.

Luftfaust to BR2 (69% approval)

Luftfaust BR4 --> BR2

poll The luftfaust is basically a useless meme weapon. It’s not on the same level as the Panzerfaust 100 at BR4. At low BRs you could maybe use it to shoot down the slower flying aircrafts and have a reason to sacrifice all of your AT gunner’s anti-tank abilities

MP 717r to BR4 (64% approval)

Move the MP 717r to BR 4

poll The MP 717r is an old Stalingrad Pass owner weapon that is currently on BR5, however I believe that it should be on BR4 instead, and that is because it is on par, if not ever so slightly weaker, than some quite similar BR4 SMGs, the PPD 40 and PPSH 45, which I will compare to the MP 717r. On the PPSH 45’s debut, it was originally BR5, but was later moved down to BR4. In comparison with the MP 717r, they have a fire rate about 200 RPM faster (1040 of both Russian guns vs 960 of the MP 717r),…

Tiger E to BR4 (62% approval)

Move the Tiger E to BR4

poll The Tiger H1 is well balanced on BR4, and is a fun to play tank. The Tiger E only has an extra machine gun mounted on top (which few people use anyways) and a slightly more protected cupola, but is otherwise the exact same tank as the BR4 tank and feels near identical when you use it. This makes it obsolete compared to other options for BR5 tanks, as it has both worse armor and a much less sufficient gun to combat BR5 tanks reliably. As a result, you rarely ever see these tanks used, which…

Breda 88 to BR1 (73% approval)

Move the Breda 88 (P.XI) to BR1

poll The Breda 88 is an attacker aircraft sitting at BR2, and while it’s an alright plane, I believe it is BR1 material as it is. The flight characteristics are pretty average for low BR, the triple 12.7mm machine guns located in the nose are decent but nothing special at all, and the bomb load, consisting of three 100kg bombs, is a weak for a BR2 attacker aircraft, but seems fair for BR1, since the Potez 633 has dual 200kg bombs. For these reasons, I propose to lower the Breda 88 to BR1.

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And here’s two others with over 75% approval that weren’t included in your list

J2M3 to either BR3 or 4 (94% approval, 48% for BR4 and 36% for BR3)

Move the J2M3 to BR 3 or 4

The J2M3 is a BR5 fighter plane avalible in the Japanese tech tree, and while it is a capable fighter, I suggest that it is lowered to BR4. With a decent set of guns and good handling, you can do a lot with it, however the better N1K2-J is also on BR5, and is an overall improvement - More ammunition for the 20mm cannons, faster, and turns slightly better, and all while having the same guns and payload, which leads to the J2M3 being just a weaker copy in effect. At BR 3 or 4 however, this would b…

Both Ki-61s to BR3 (89% approval)

Move the Ki-61 (TT and premium version) to BR3

The Ki 61s are fighter planes avaliable on B4 Japan, one in the tech tree and the other as a premium. While they are decent planes, they are currently pretty overteired. These planes were based off of the BF 109 (E or F series I think) and is pretty similar in a lot of regards, but quite different in others. The flight performance of these planes is rather similar to other nations’ fighters rather than the normal quick turn speed Japanese fighters. As for armament, Both Ki 61s have dual 100kg bo…

[Valkay]

I didnt include the first one because its confusing, while I accidently skipped/overlooked the second one. A honest mistake really.

[GeneralBrus]

Hm, I can imagine it being smart to focus on the Soviet vs Japs content before getting the hand dirty with those other balance changes - but you guys are right that most of them are very obviously good suggestions that dont take much effort to implement.

[TheSaboteur59]

Developers already said to forum: VOTES AND LIKES DO NOTHING.
Even if there was 100 voted yes but developers say no - it will not be done.

[Adamnpee]

@Valkay

these suggestions and their polls each have around 50 to 100 voters while before polls 30 likes were ground breaking. Bigger sample size → more accurate data on opinions.

Weird, since on average I have seen polls to have ±40 people participating. Definitely not 100. Unless its some official news poll.

@Valkay

Bigger sample size → more accurate data on opinions.

Opinions that are usually not backed up by arguments. And very often they are not discussed at all.

Since polls introduction, I have somehow lost interest in forums. People tend to attach more importance to these polls than they actually deserve.

It’s not really about that suggestions with high positive polls ratio should be implemented. More like about suggestions with negative polls ratio not to be even forwarded to devs. That’s all.

[Masturmater7-live]

Holy cope

[Valkay]

Depends really.
For example the silenced ppsh which was NOT added to tech tree because people went ballistic over it being a fake gun.

But then depsite the wishes of 80% of the players ended up adding it anyway as a premium a few months later.

So its true that devs can do anything they want but player opinions obviously matter to them even if they only care as long as its convinient for them.

[Adamnpee]

@Valkay

added to tech tree because people went ballistic over it being a fake gun.

Don’t misrepresent what happened. That’s not the reason why majority of people didn’t want it to be in TT.

Quite the opposite. Plus it was promised the weapon will eventually return in some other form.

[GeneralBrus]

@Adamnpee

Since polls introduction, I have somehow lost interest in forums. People tend to attach more importance to these polls than they actually deserve.

You have a point here, I remember us two for example having lots of “heated” discussions in the past, and in the end we often came to one solution that made actually sense.

Just voting often discourages unpopular opinions to be voiced I can imagine.

[Valkay]

Don’t act like wasting time on pointless debates was a good thing.
Im very grateful for polls since I no longer have to fight brainless mains under any of my suggestions.

[GeneralBrus]

True, people in general are okay with prototype guns being event weapons - but not TT weapons.

This has always been like that.

[Adamnpee]

@GeneralBrus

True, people in general are okay with prototype guns being event weapons - but not TT weapons.

Well, people especially had problem with only one specific faction to get silenced weapon in TT. And most people simply didn’t like the idea to have silenced weapon in TT at all.

It wasn’t even about the weapon being fake/prototype with vague sources.

[GeneralBrus]

Okay, here’s the thing tho - I very well remember that when I first brought up Soviet body armor being game breaking, more people gave the “just git good” comment in my post an upvote than my post.

After two years of discussing this issue people have changed their mind.

[GeneralBrus]

Hm true I guess

[Valkay]

2 years ago people just started meeting body armour since it was unique to Berlin.
You could play a different campaign instead → does not concern you → you don’t care, sad reality really but thats how 90% of people work.