Which New Germany BR 3 SMG Would The Community Prefer?

Game discussion Germany and Italy
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There’s been a lot of suggestions for faster firing BR 3 SMGs for Germany lately. However, there aren’t any direct comparisons between the latest suggestions. The purpose of this post is to give the developers an idea of which SMGs should be implemented where, IF the developers choose to add them. THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION POST, LINKS TO THE ORIGINAL SUGGESTION POSTS ARE PROVIDED.

Generally speaking, a tech tree weapon will have high service quantities, as well as have stats that do not stand-out, and aren’t difficult to balance with balance stats (damage, dispersion, ADS, reload speed etc). Event or Premium weapons of the same weapon category and battle rating are usually weapons with fewer or no service quantity, and have more extreme historical stats.

EVERYTHING LISTED WITHIN THE STATS FOR EACH WEAPON ARE OBJECTIVE VALUES, WHILE THE AFOREMENTIONED BALANCE STATS FOR EACH WEAPON WOULD BE ADJUSTED TO BRING THEM IN LINE WITH CONTEMPORARIES FROM ALL RESEARCH TREES

Here’s what has been suggested so far (in order of oldest to newest suggestion):

- SIG MKPS

History and Stats:

The Finns purchased 282 SIG MKMS submachine guns in March-June 1940. The SIG MKPS was a similar weapon, but with a shorter barrel and magazine capacity.

Some secondary sources claim MKPS submachine guns were also a part of this order, but there is no photographic evidence of this. However, there are images of Finnish soldiers brandishing the longer MKMS submachine gun.

Chambering: 9mm Parabellum
Rate of Fire: 900 RPM (1040 RPM Upgraded In-Game)
Magazine Capacity: 30 Rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 400 m/s

- MP 41(r) Late

History and Stats:

The German MP 41(r) conversion of the Soviet PPSh-41 to fire 9mm cartridges from an MP 38/40 magazine occurred to both early and later variants of the PPSh-41. The early PPSh-41 had tangential rear sights and a leather recoil buffer, while the late PPSh-41 had a flip sight, and a textolite or fiber recoil buffer. The change in recoil buffer resulted in a faster rate of fire in the late variant, meaning a PPSh-41 Early fired around 900 RPM, and the PPSh-41 Late fired at 1000 RPM. The German 9mm Cartridge had a lower energy input on the bolt, meaning the MP 41(r) conversion resulted in a ~100 RPM for each variant. The in-game MP 41(r) is the early variant, and should technically fire at 800 RPM (920 RPM upgraded). Approximately 10,000 PPSh-41s were converted to an MP 41(r).

Chambering: 9mm Parabellum
Rate of Fire: 900 RPM (1040 RPM Upgraded In-Game)
Magazine Capacity: 30 Rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 400 m/s

- Bergmann MP.34/I

History and Stats:

The Bergmann MP.34/I is the predecessor to the MP.35/I submachine gun. Based on tests and the manual of the MP.32/I and MP.34/I, this weapon had a faster cyclic rate than the MP.35/I, between 700 and 800 rounds per minute. The weapon has a couple of small visual distinctions to it’s later brother, and also came in short and long barrel variants, but the suggestion encompasses the short barrel variant, with a 32 round magazine. It was used in very limited numbers by both German and Italian soldiers during WW2.

Chambering: 9mm Parabellum
Rate of Fire: 800 RPM (920 RPM Upgraded In-Game)
Magazine Capacity: 32 Rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 330 m/s

- Suomi KP/-31 (MP 40 Magazine)

History and Stats:

Limited numbers of MP 38/40 magazines were converted to fit within the Suomi KP/-31 magazine well by German soldiers late in the war. This would work for either a regular Suomi KP/-31, or the KP/-31 SJR with muzzle brake.

Chambering: 9mm Parabellum
Rate of Fire: 860 RPM (990 RPM Upgraded In-Game)
Magazine Capacity: 32 Rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 396m/s

- MP 40 Steyr Mod

History and Stats:

A limited run of Steyr manufactured MP 40 submachine guns were produced with a heavy recoil spring in late 1943 to 1944, before getting replaced with StG 44 production entirely. These relatively rare MP 40 variants can often be found in the Balkans in the present day, and were observed to have a monstrous 1100 RPM cyclic rate.

Chambering: 9mm Parabellum
Rate of Fire: 1100 RPM (1270 RPM Upgraded In-Game)
Magazine Capacity: 32 Rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 390 m/s

Which of these weapons should be considered for the Axis Tech Tree? Select up to 3.
  • SIG MKPS
  • MP 41(r) Late
  • Bergmann MP.34/I
  • Suomi KP/-31 (32)
  • MP 40 Steyr
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Which of these weapons are more suited as Event or Premium options? Select up to 3.
  • SIG MKPS
  • MP 41 (Late)
  • Bergmann MP 34/I
  • Suomi KP/-31 (32)
  • MP 40 Steyr
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None of the above option?

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This isn’t a suggestion post, so it isn’t necessary.

Like I said, if the developers are considering adding another SMG to the tech tree at BR 3, this game discussion post is meant to provide clarity on which of these weapons the community prefers for each category.

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Just a heads up my initial “what to do with fake Ho Ri” suggestion post was closed because there was no “Nothing” option.

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This poll is in respect to preference over action. The suggestion polls themselves are suggesting the weapons, while this poll is comparing them directly. If the developers are adding a BR 3 SMG, this can give them some insight on the playerbase’s preference.

They’re different situations.

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Interesting take.
Next time I’ll word mine “if the developers are considering doing something with fake Ho Ri, which action would the community prefer”.

And yes I hope the results of these polls don’t get nuked because of the absence of “neither” option.
I know that feels bad.

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It wouldn’t get closed by mods as long as it’s presented like this very thread: “game discussion” and not a proper “suggestion”.

Resemble a lot “mess room” if you ask me. Perhaps more serious?

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I indeed missed the fact this is the game discussion section.