germany has full auto “snipers” that u.s. doesn’t have access to? Where’s the equality in that?
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True, but look at it from an urgency perspective.
For US, the lack of a BR4 rifle is a way bigger issue and this might just be my opinion, but BR3 SMGs and LMGs also need a bit more variety (good opportunity to add iconic guns like Sten Mk.V and Lewis gun).
While for Axis, a BR3 sniper rifle is the only thing missing from their tech tree. Once its added, Axis can only really be expanded with more Italian vehicles, iconic SPGs like Hetzer or StuH.
Now if we look at Japan… They still need a lot of new weapons and vehicles.
Its expected courtesy from devs that every faction needs to receive something in each new major update, so naturally it takes a while for something the playerbase deems urgent to be added.
A good example of it is the AVT-40 20, which took a year and half to be added (and endless begging from everyone, including Axis mains).
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Just return the johnsen rifle to BR 4 and maybe then finally the allied players could stop complaining.
They wanted to have it lowered to BR 3 only to then start bitching about not having a BR 4 weapon.
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But it wasnt really good enough for BR4.
I guess its true that even an underpowered rifle is better than no rifle, but just moving it back is not a solution.
Allies (and Japan) need a new BR4 rifle that is as good as the G43/SVT-40, its a fact.
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Poor Japan.
After this patch buff to g41, I’d argue they now possess the worst semi among br3 (type 4 with 10 rounds) and it’s the best one they have.
They just boosted slightly the damage drop off… for Japan they could have made it a tad better…
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I ask here because I’m no expert about Japanese firearms, but could the Otsu use a 10 rounds magazine? Did such thing exist? Could be a decent br4 if it did.
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I dont think it did and even if it did, Otsu has only 13.8 damage which is realistically too low for BR4.
However, its essentially a copy of the ZH-29.
The best rifles for Japan that come to mind for BR4 are:
Shenyang Arsenal ZH-29
Type Hei late long with 10 round mag
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Pre merge Type 4 was more than good for BR4.
It’s actually funny to look back on how many times this weapon’s stats were completely overhauled.
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I remember it was extremely good before… was it because it had crazy reloading speed? Or it had less recoil?
Changed so much I don’t remember.
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M2 Carbine sawoff should once again be available to most classes. This will address the lack of a semi-automatic rifle in the Japanese 4 BR.
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I’d rather devs give a proper AR first… instead of stupidly lowering the one available to 4, giving it 30 rounds…
No, they did the right thing. Finally, you can play 4 BR Japan.
And the 30-round version will be added as a standalone weapon, most likely in the next Major.
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… will it, thought?
Also, why not this here update? Considering Japan does NOT have any br5 AR… their decision is rather dumb…
To be fair, assault rifles don’t really make much sense at BR 5 right now. The automatic rifle meta is much stronger.
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I like ARs…
Since their recent buffs, they’re deadly, precise and recoil less.
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I don’t remember the exact stats either. It definitely had an extremely fast reload speed. And the gun handling was excellent too.
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We could have already gotten SF rifle nerfs. But run-and-gun lovers took advantage of the fact that the nerfs weren’t applied equally across all SF rifles. So the devs got scared and completely reversed that nerf.
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There is no equality in that, there is also no authentic justification for that either. And it is also bad for game play.
The sad thing is that it could easily be fixed by simply adding the existing Gewehr 41 with ZF 41 to the tech tree since this weapon already exists in ENLISTED in the form of a premium squad, this one:
In our household we have bought this premium squad twice, once for the PC and once for the Xbox and we do not have any objection to the Gewehr 41 ZF 41 also being included in the tech tree because it needs to be there and should be there. The Gewehr 41 ZF 41 premium squad will still be worth the money because all soldiers in this premium squad are equipped with the Gewehr 41 ZF 41, something that can never be done in a free to play tech tree squad.
So the issue can be fixed, a ready made solution already exists and thus it should be fixed. It should have been fixed a long time ago, a long time ago.
More information on this topic is to be found here:
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From an objective point of view the only thing that requires urgent fixing are game breaking bugs.
What is a big issue for one player, might be an unimportant issue for another player.
If a player only plays for one country in Enlisted than probably the only thing that interests that player is the tech tree of that one country. We in our household play all countries in Enlisted and for us the main thing is having authentic tech trees, especially at BR 3 which is at the moment the only BR that still more or less is a true WW2 BR.
I am not against anything authentic being added in or moved to BR 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 for any country in Enlisted, but one perceived omission does not justify having another omission, or maintaining another omission.
Germany in Enlisted should have the Gewehr 41 ZF 41 in BR 3 and it can easily have it since it already exists in Enlisted, albeit with a premium squad. There are currently already other premium squads and event squads in Enlisted that have tech tree weapons, so this solution has already been implemented in Enlisted but not yet for the Gewehr 41 ZF 41. It is high time that it is implemented also for the Gewehr 41 ZF 41.
As to Japan: its tech tree is the least developed,. From an authentic point of view it is hard to add anything useful to the Japanese tech tree. All I can think of is more “captured weapons”. The alternative is either more paper designs, failed prototypes etc. or strange inauthentic additions, such as the “Panzerschreck” (R.Pz.B. 43 “Ofenrohr”) having been added to the USA and Japanese tech tree. Japan having a German Tiger in Enlisted also comes to mind.
Maybe Japan should never have been added to Enlisted, because the Japanese tech tree from an authentic point of view will generally never be able to compete with the tech trees of Germany, USA and Russia in Enlisted. But alas it has been added and as a result it will continue to be a problem to fill it with competitive items, from an authentic point of view that is. Which is what interests me. I will lose interest in Enlisted when BR 3 and lower will be filled with more and more Japanese fantasy items. Currently BR 4 and 5 in Enlisted have sadly already entered the realm of fantasy and fiction and continue to do so.
Be that as it may, the current state of the Japanese and other tech trees is no excuse not to add the already existing Gewehr 41 ZF 41 to the German tech tree. That addition is long overdue and an authentic ready-made, easily implemented simple solution thus already exists.
Calm down. No one is “threatening” you. I do not know if English is a language that you master, or if you are using a translator to communicate in English, either way no one is “threatening” you.
As to what I will or will not post, or will or will not do: that is up to me and me alone, and thus not to you, and since I do not live in a dictatorship, I more or less can post and do what I want.
As to the rest: I do not know where you get your “information” from, but you are simply misinformed.
Keep in mind that the German state archives and factory archives were purloined by the officials of the countries that occupied Germany in 1945, and many documents have since then been missing. Only those documents that have been returned to Germany are currently available for research, and additionally also those documents that are in the archives of the countries that occupied Germany in 1945 and which have been “declassified”. Many wartime documents are thus still missing and/or still “classified”. An example of that are the files of the OKH (= German Army High Command) which to this day remain in Podolsk in Russia and which are all still “classified”.
It is therefore difficult to establish for certain how many MP 28, MP 34 and MP 35 were exactly produced, when exactly and how many were issued to whom.
The MP 28 was purportedly produced from 1928-1940, the MP 34 purportedly from 1929-1940 and the MP 35 purportedly from 1935-1944. But documentation proving all this is difficult to find.
That means that the exact German WW2 production numbers of certain weapons are often not fully known, even to this day. A German wartime document listing the exact number of MP 38/40 produced during WW2 for example seems to be simply not available anywhere, even today.
Keep that in mind when reading anything about German weapon production, issue, use etc. during WW2.
Authors usually state that aproximately 30,000+ MP18, aproximately 60,000 to 80,000 MP 28, aproximately 40,000 MP 35/I submachine guns were produced.
The key word here is “approximately”.
Fact is that no one seems to know for sure.
They certainly were not standard mass issue Army (= Heer) weapons and since the Army supplied the first line combat units of the Waffen SS with equipment, neither of the first line combat units of the Waffen SS.
The MP 38 was submitted to the German military in 1938 and it was accepted into German military service in 1939 after which mass production started. In other words the MP 38 was already in mass production when WW2 started. Approximately 42,000 MP 38 submachine guns were produced before production shifted to the improved MP 40 model, which was submitted in 1939 and accepted into German military service in 1940. Approximately 1.1 million MP 40 submachine guns were mass produced between 1940 and 1945.
Additionally many sources state that approximately 26,700 MP 41 submachine guns were produced during World War II.
Again: the key word here is “approximately”.
Be that as it may the MP 40 production numbers were at least 1 million based on German wartime documentation. No other German submachine gun comes close to that number, not even “approximately”.
Authors usually state that approximately 40,000 MP 35/I submachine guns were produced between 1935 and 1944. But authors also state that there is no actual wartime production document which can prove that about 40,000 MP 35/I submachine guns were actually produced. Purportedly the number of MP 35/I produced is “deduced” from the serial numbers of surviving MP 35/I examples, according to authors. There is a source that states that only 1,800 MP 35/I weapons were delivered by the end of November 1943, after which production was stopped. Authors often state that the Waffen SS used the MP 35/I but wartime documentation makes clear that this really was not the case as far as the actual first line combat units are concerned.
One thing is certain in the German military of WW2: it was fighting a “poor man’s war”. Meaning it was short on everything, from raw materials and manpower to everything that was produced and issued. That means that a German unit had to make do with what it had been issued until the items it had been issued could no longer be used. The only possible exception was when certain key (heavy) equipment was clearly obsolete, such as a Panzer II in 1943 and even then it could still be found lingering around in certain units as is evident in the monthly reports of some German military units.
The result of this can clearly be seen in surviving German wartime records. Every military unit which was issued a certain item, generally had to keep using that item till it could be used no longer. So if a new uniform, firearm, vehicle etc. was introduced it was only issued either to newly established units or to existing units as a replacement for a no longer usable item. So if a unit had been equipped with MP 38s then it would generally not get any MP 40s unless they were needed to replace no longer usable MP 38s. There are some exceptions to this, such as units that were transferred from one front to another being ordered to hand over equipment to other units, but often this was not fully complied with by reporting equipment as being in need of “long term repair”.
What that means is that if the MP 18, MP 28, MP 34 and/or MP 35/I had been mass issued to a first line German combat unit, then that first line combat unit would still have many of them by 1945. The wartime documents however make clear that the MP 18, MP 28, MP 34 and/or MP 35/I were never mass issued to first line German combat units, not even those of the Waffen SS.
Weapons like the MP 18, MP 28, MP 34 and/or MP 35/I would generally be issued to second line, rear area, security, police, support, supply and/or construction units and not to first line German combat units.
The German military generally issued the newest, best and most modern equipment to their first line combat units. Second line, rear area, security, police, support, supply and/or construction units would generally be the ones that were issued outdated and/or sub-standard equipment, or late-war in some cases captured enemy equipment.
As far as the Waffen SS is concerned I already pointed out to you that primary source data is available which makes clear what sort of firearms they actually used, since every German first line combat unit submitted monthly reports with this sort of information. Service in the Waffen SS was by law military service, their pay was provided by the War Ministry and so was all their equipment. In other words they generally used what the Army (= Heer in German) supplied them, in other words the Waffen SS first line combat units generally used the same equipment that the German Army (= Heer in German) used.
Here are some examples.
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- SS-Panzer-Division “LSSAH” - 31.12.1943
Note: In another report the MP 38 are listed as MP 38/40
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- SS-Panzer-Division “Das Reich” - 1.10.1943
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- SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Division - 1.3.1943
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- SS-Panzer-Division “Wiking” - 3.7.1943
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- SS-Panzer-Division “Hohenstaufen” - 1.6.1944
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- SS-Panzer-Division “Frundsberg” - 18.9.1943
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- SS-Panzer-Division “HJ” - 1.1.1944
As you can see NONE of these Waffen SS first line combat units have MP 18, MP 28, MP 34 or MP 35. The overwhelming majority of the MP they have are MP 38 / MP 40. If they had been mass issued MP 18, MP 28, MP 34 or MP 35 at any point in time, then they would still have had at least some of them.
The ONLY Waffen SS unit that I could find that actually lists having MP 35/I is a second line combat unit that was specifically raised to combat so-called irregulars/insurgents in Yugoslavia, which according to the international Hague Conventions Treaties of 1899 and 1907 (= law of war) were by law so-called illegal “franc-tireur”. The combat unit in question is the anti-tank battalion of the 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division “Prinz Eugen”. The small arms of that unit are what we nowadays call “personal defense weapons”, since the anti-tank battalion did not have any infantry squads, but it instead consisted of vehicle/gun crews and their rear-area support/supply elements.
- SS-Panzer-Jäger-Abteilung 7. “Prinz Eugen” - 31.1.1945
As you can see even this anti-tank battalion has only 3 MP 35/I compared to 19 MP 38 / MP40. So even in this unit the number of MP 35/I is irrelevant.
In Enlisted the MP 35/I - which in reality was produced in small numbers and never mass issued to first line combat units - has been made superior to the MP 38 and MP 40. So an inferior rejected weapon has been made superior in Enlisted to the MP 38 / MP 40, which in reality were judged to be superior to the MP 35/I and thus selected by the German Army (= Heer) for mass production and mass issue. This is just silly. Best solution for that is simply change the stats in Enlisted for the MP 35/I to those of the MP 40 and vice versa. That way the German tech tree will have their mass issued MP 40 in BR 3, and their MP 38 in BR 2 as well as have the MP 35/I in BR 2.
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please get a job
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