Shenyang Arsenal ZH-29 for Japan

Hello bajtársak and fellow forumdwellers,
Please hear me out! I know full well how everyone feels about copy-pasted guns, however we are already scrapping the barrel with Japan.
As most of you are well aware, the standard for BR4 semi-auto rifles has become a 10 round detachable magazine with at least 15.3 damage. Out of all the great powers, Japan invested the least in semi-automatic rifle development and only managed to produce some prototypes before the end of the war with all of them failing at least one of the criteria.
To be precise Type 4 mass-production did start but Japan surrendered soon after with few guns being produced (just had to put it out there before a gun nut corrected me).

The ZH-29 is the most straightforward and logical gun for the Japanese faction.
Japan´s ally, Siam purchased ZH-29 rifles from Czechoslovakia in the 1930s.
Japan had captured and even copied the ZH-29 (Type Otsu rifle in game, sadly stuck with only 5 round mag and low damage) from Chinese soldiers.
China had both imported and locally produced unlicensed copies of the ZH-29.

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The Shenyang Arsenal ZH-29

Records of the Northeastern Three Province Arsenal, also known as Shenyang Arsenal, showed that the prototype rifle produced at the plant was successfully tested and ready for mass-production but the “918 incident” delayed the process and the records ended with the Japanese capture of the factory.

It is not known how many were produced, if they were produced at all afterwards, however we do have photographic evidence of a ZH-29 from the Nanking puppet regime’s arsenal.
It is not known if the bipod was unique to Shenyang produced rifles or was fitted later, upon further inspection, the bipod design seems to obscure or replace it, which most likely had to be done in the factory. Regardless the bipod should be a feature to make it slightly different from the variant in the Axis tech tree.

Chinese copy of ZH-29

Sources:

China’s Small Arms of the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945) - Shih, Bin
RIA: Japanese ZH-29 Copy by Tokyo Gas & Electric - Forgotten Weapons
Small Arms of The World - A Basic Manual of Small Arms - W.H.B Smith

Would you like to see the Shenyang Arsenal in the Japanese tech tree as BR4 rifle?
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Japan is the only one where copy and paste is more acceptable, and they did use it too.

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so prototypes for japans tech tree but not us
also us uk allies dont even have a real br4 rifle

you got the M1944 Hyde carbine and the super pershing and the T20, all were prototypes, relax lil buddy

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Im writing the suggestion for Allies right now!
Please wait a little.

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you got the M1944 Hyde carbine and the super pershing and the T20, all were prototypes, relax lil buddy

so there not fake weapons that need to be removed from the tech tree lol

Commonwealth…?

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Im writing the suggestion for Allies right now!
Please wait a little.

no problem just sick of people acting like the axis faction bares any more resemblance to its ww2 historical counterpart than any other faction

cant we all just bend over clench are teeth and pay are friend a beer for the foliage removal

Not every Axis suggestion/addition requires immediate counter-suggestion from the other side. Additionally it’s not like there’s any historical resemblance. Japan just draws the short stick in equipment overall, though I’d rather we’d still stick to prototypes or weapons present in the theatre rather than paper “tanks” as is the case for Ho-ri.

It’s not like the US has been stuck with no new things for long. I’d wager Soviets could use a bit of late war care vehicle-wise instead, since they’re still stuck with IS-2.

Well Japan for sure needs it at BR IV but simply BR IV is just dead BR since the gap between BR IV and BR V is too big the Jets are absolutely OP ,the automatic rifles are much better then semi-auto, Assault Rifles are much better then SMGs. It will be nice addition but BR IV is very rarely played and im playing it when Im bored but its super unfair against BR V matches. But still best option for the people that wanna suffer in BR IV xD

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No, its a French rifle. The 303. British is unideal for a standard issue semi-automatic rifle.

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Photo in best quality.

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yes

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Dumb question: does this rifle have detachable magazines? It looks like there’s a magazine release, but I can’t confirm from that alone.

If yes, I’m all for adding a 10 or 20 round variant for Japan at BR 4.

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A magazine release is located behind the trigger guard, suggesting it was designed for original ZH-29 magazines—assuming China had the manufacturing capability for interchangeable parts back then. That said, I lack a primary source to confirm this detail.

The North Chinese Generalissimo Zhang Zuolin negotiated a contract with the Brno arms factory (Zbrojovka Brno) for the supply of 1,000 units of the ZB 26 light machine gun. Following his assassination in June 1928, his son and successor, Zhang Xueliang—a great admirer of Czechoslovak weapons—continued his father’s trend.

​In 1930, he purchased a trainer aircraft in Brno, for which the factory presented him with a chrome-plated ZH 29 rifle as a gift. He further demonstrated his refined taste by ordering an additional 150 rifles for his personal guard; these were dispatched to Mukden in February 1930.

Document C01003942800 on JACAR is of great interest:


May 21, 5th Year of Showa (1930)

​Telegram from the Vice-Minister [of the Army] to Second Lieutenant Suzuki in Mukden (Cipher):
​In response to Mukden Telegram No. 41.

​Regarding gas-operated automatic rifles: although trial models were previously manufactured at our domestic arsenals, they were not subsequently adopted as standard equipment, and research on them has been discontinued.

​However, there is no objection to the manufacture of such items at the Mukden Arsenal as an individual design by Suzuki. Please note, however, that the Japanese Army shall bear no responsibility whatsoever regarding the performance or results of said products.

​[Outgoing] No. 147. May 30, 5th Year of Showa, 2:10 PM

Secret. Telegram Transcript
​Sent: May 27, 1:00 PM / Received: 10:45 PM
To: Vice-Minister of the Army
From: Mukden Agency (Tokumu Kikan)
​No. 41: Regarding the Director-General of the Mukden Arsenal (Top Secret)…


Given the document’s date and the description of the rifle as gas-operated, it could be suggested that ‘behind the scenes’ at the Mukden Arsenal—even before the 1931 occupation—the Japanese were planning to establish production of the ZH-29 rifle. However, I have no information as to whether production actually commenced.

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Agreed, I rarely use SMG’s in BR5

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Well no point same is with semi autos they are simply bad at BR V. I use smgs but for fun same way I play BR IV for fun but defiantly you feel the huge gap between semi autos and full autos, assault rifles and SMGs and Jet planes and prop planes. With the tanks is a bit better since there is some OK tanks like the Panther that is playable at BR V or IS-1.

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Well it quite literally does evidence being T20, Hyde and Super Pershing.

Devs should really speak out in which direction they’re taking the factions.