The Mas-40 and Mas-44, French semi-automatic rifles

Hello bajtársak and fellow forumdwellers,
You may remember these guns because I already suggested them once in the old format and now I’m updating the suggestion to the new format and requirements.


The Mas-40

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The Mas-40 is a gas-operated French semi-automatic rifle firing 7.5x54mm rounds and has an integral 5 rounds magazine and is fed by a stripper clip.
The Mas-40 was the fruit of two decades long trial and error.
The French army wanted to adopt a standard issue semi-automatic rifle since the Great War however the 8mm Lebel cartridge was unsuitable.
A decade was spent on developing the ideal cartridge for a semi-auto rifle only to reinvent the 8mm Mauser as the Mle 1924 7.5x54mm, naturally this was completely necessary since no self-respecting French man would ever use barbaric German ammo.
Another decade was spent on experimenting with semi-automatic rifles.
First the transitional Mas-36 bolt-action rifle was adopted and would serve alongside the Mas-40; they shared many components so both could be kept in service indefinitely.
The Mas-40 is one of the biggest “what if” weapons, it is as reliable and capable as the M1 Garand but did not get a chance to show during the war because mass-production was planned to start in 1941… One year after the 7th Panzer division won 1940´s tour de France.

The Mas plant was inspected by the Germans and they saw no interest in the Mas-40 at the time thus only a limited Mas-36 production was set up for German occupation.
However in September of 1944, the Germans retreated from the plant and the French resistance looted the factory, taking the 50 Mas-40 rifles with them and all machinery and material they could move (doing more damage in a matter of hours than the entire German occupation in four years).

Personally I think that the Mas-40 should be added as a BR2 French premium/event guerrilla squad´s weapon.

Would you like to see the Mas-40 in game?
  • Yes
  • No
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If yes, how would you like to see Mas-40?
  • As a tech tree weapon
  • As a Battle Pass weapon
  • As Premium/Event squad weapon (ideally with French resistance).
0 voters

The Mas-44

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In 1944 the liberation of the Mas armoury opened the possibility of mass producing semi-automatic rifles, the Mas-40 design was revised into the Mas-44 with the experience gained during the war and the fixed 5 round magazine was replaced with a detachable 10 round magazine.
In very early 1945 the Mas-44 went into mass-production with a total of ~7000 rifles made before production had ended a few months after the war had ended.

Although the rifle had many advantages over the M1 Garand such as higher reliability, very easy maintenance and a detachable magazine preventing garand thumbs, the Mas-44 had only seen a limited deployment with the French navy and French commandos due to logistical and heavily political reasons.
Even though there was a major shortage of M1 Garand and M1 carbine rifles in the Free French army, therefore creating a high demand for a semi-automatic rifle capable of replacing the Garand.

The Mas-44 is the ideal BR4 tech tree semi-auto rifle for Allies, it is the most logical BR4 rifle, its a genuine WW2 design, quasi mass-produced or better said far more numerous than pre-WW1 British or interwar US prototype rifles we could get as alternatives.

Would you like Mas-44 added to the tech tree?
  • Yes
  • No
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Variants:

Scoped Mas
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The Mas-40 could be attached with an APX M686 scope as well, attachable on the Mas-44 as well.

Would you like to see Scoped Mas rifles in the game?
  • Yes
  • No
0 voters
If yes, how so?
  • Mas-40 in the tech tree
  • Mas-40 as event gun
  • Mas-40 as Battle Pass gun
  • Mas-40 as Premium/Event squad
  • Mas-44 in the tech tree
  • Mas-44 as event gun
  • Mas-44 as Battle Pass gun
  • Mas-44 as Premium/Event squad
0 voters

Mas-40 with Châtellerault FM 24/29 25 rounds magazine.
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As pointed out by @_DELAVR in the comments, the magazine is detachable, pure BR4 material like Mondragon rifle with 30 rounds mag.

Would you like to see Mas-40 with FM 24 magazine added?
  • Yes
  • No
0 voters
If yes, how would you like to see Mas-40 with FM mag added?
  • Event weapon
  • Premium/Event squad
  • Battle Pass weapon
0 voters
source:

MAS semi-automatic rifle 40, 44, 49, and 49/56

Thank you for your time and attention!

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What BR would you put the scoped version of Mas-40 to be? And of the Mas-44?

And for the 25 rounder Mas-40?

normal and scoped Mas-40 should probably be BR2 while normal and scoped Mas-44 should be BR4, at least in my opinion.

Also the scope:
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Subfaction content is subfaction content!

  • We got almost all of the equipment for the Free Fr*nch (since they mostly used foreing gear from the British or the US, and the domestic gear exist in the current Axis inventories).

  • We got the voicelines from the event squads.

All we need are the uniforms and the squads!


Perfect distribution, btw.

  • MAS-40, a pre fall of France prototype - Cool legacy Event/BP/Premium gun.

  • MAS-44, a actually wartime produced gun by the Free Fr*nch - Due to the need of a BR IV rifle, definately tech tree.

  • MAS-44 Sniper - A BR IV sniper rifle is also wanted, so a scoped version of the (hopefully) future tech tree rifle also makes sense in the tech tree.

  • MAS-40 with 25-round mag - Fun gimmic item, could well be BR IV, should be Event/BP/Premium.

Jolly good show! Tea and medals for you, @Valkay.

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Though so, but that’ll be a bit troublesome with GE side and Japs. There’s only ever been one squad with scoped BR II semis and that is the Soviet prem one, I believe. They’ll want one too and that’s going to be a headache.

As for the Mas-40 with FM mag? BR III or IV? Since the source says the Mas-40 reached nearly the double of Mas-36 fire rate capability, so I’d say it’s on the level of Winchester M1907 or is it closer to Mondragon 1908 at BR IV?

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Should be added to BR4 first and if its not good enough, we can move it down.
Same should apply to scoped Mas-40 than, first added to BR3 than moved to BR2 if it’s not unfair.

so for allies not axis sorry if i am being slow

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Yes, Axis never used Mas-40 or Mas-44 rifles.
Both Mas-40 and 44 are for Allies.

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I think I’d be fine at BR II as prem or event weapon, do not get me wrong. Not like the semis aren’t balanced around high recoil there so it’s not that troublesome, just saying their opponents will want same option on their side.

I think that might backfire. BR IV is not populated enough to use as a good testing ground and the weapon would just be forgotten, same with the Modragon. Too strong for BR III, outperformed at BR V.

Happy to see some variation in suggested weapons though. :+1:

The MAS-40 was deliberately and successfully kept secret from the occupying Germans for the entire duration of the occupation. It was a impressive feat acomplished by the men and women involved with the factory, and they rightly deserve praise for it.

Giving any of these rifles to the Axis would be to spirt in the faces at those brave lads and lasses who accomplished this feat.

@Kriegerfaust007-live

(Not critizing anyone in perticular here, others have in the past said Germany should be the ones to get either of these, I believe those people to be grossly missinformed.)

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Isn’t this just a myth?
I know its impossible to prove after such a long time since we can’t ask the officers that inspected the plant anymore, but as far as I know, they looked at everything before locking the weapons away so the workers or resistance could not access them.

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by they do you mean germany or france
cause why wouldnt germany use a semi auto instead of relying on bolt actions until the developed the g41

I think Germans simply were not interneted in semi-auto rifle at that time and partially did not realise what they were sitting on.
Prototype semi-auto that wasnt even used against them – > not worth the time.

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Maybe it is…?

But frankly, it’s a good semi-auto design, I’d expect the Germans to at least study it if they knew about it, and we have no records of that.

The “tale”, as I understand it, is that since they had not begun actual production of the MAS-40 as planned and thus the process was so early that they could just falsify their records and claim that they were about to set up additional production of the MAS-36 instead.

The MAS-36 was intended to have some interchangeable parts (or, at least, close enough so that training between the two would be simplified) with the future semi-auto rifle, so that’s another reason for why the falsification was in the end succesful.

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50 Mas-40 were already made and sitting in storage, they must have saw those since they locked them away.
I originally considered that maybe the rifles were hidden among Mas36s since they are similar but then these rifles would have been shipped out to German occupation units like 36s.

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Fair enough.

Maybe it’s a legend, maybe it’s true, and as you said it’s not like we can ask anyone from the time anymore…

I just think that… Considering that the Germans had a habbit/obsession of giving designations to almost any kind of small arm - even if they never ever got their hands on that weapon - it’s a bit strange that there isn’t one for the MAS-40…

That’s just my rationale, it’s not nessesarily the right one, just the position I’ve adopted.

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In the end, it doesn’t matter much.
Germans did not use them, why they did not is ultimately not important.

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No, the magazine was detachable. Here is more detailed information regarding the experimental MAS 40 rifles with detachable magazines:


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Also, I think it’s worth mentioning the presence of a bayonet for these rifles in the thread.

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Thanks, corrected that!
I should have done my homework before, but the scoped variant and FN24 mag variants were last minute additions and Im too tired to research now.

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50 rifles is a very small number, it’s very easy to like just bury them somewhere (both metaphorically and literally) and have the Germans just happen to not notice it.

I just can not see the Germans overlooking the MAS-40 if they were aware of its existence considering their interest in semi-auto rifles. That thing would had been easily the best service rifle of the war if interwar France was capable of even the slightest degree of competence in matters regarding procurement and actually managed to get it into service in time.