Considering the had no service rifle semi auto until the g41’ agree Germany would have at least put it into limited production
Unfortunately, the MAS 44 didn’t actually see combat in WW2. Production began in early 1945, and weren’t used in the front lines. It still obviously fits within the timeline of Enlisted, but it isn’t the service/combat rifle that OP is looking for.
At this point, I would really like to see the current M1 Garand get uptiered to BR 4, and get reload speed and other buffs to make it the “Kiraly” of the BR 4 semi-autos. Low mag capacity, but super comfy. At BR 3, they could replace it with the early war “Gas Trap” M1 Garand.
So a garand with a 2 second reload just a have to get rid of the zh29
Or the garand would have to have an insane 1.6 second reload
2 seconds could be fine with 16.8 damage like the Farquhar-Hill? Or an ultra-fast ADS like the Scotti Naval.
There’s many stats they could change to bump up it’s effectiveness.
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Ok nam one besides rof and magazine size that would matter
The zh29 the g43 and the garand down or kill an enemy soldier in one shot more damage does not matter for semi autos
Accuracy or dispersion is meaningless for sa
I guess you could improve it’s ads
Sorry missed ads
But are there any other stats
- 16.8 Damage (Farquhar-Hill)
- 420 RoF (M1 Carbine, VG 1-5)
- Reduced Visual Recoil
- Removed Physical recoil (Type Otsu)
- 0.15 Dispersion (Winchester G30R, Type Hei Automatic)
- 2.0 Second Reload (ZH-29 is 2.1)
- 1.3 ADS Speed (Scotti Naval)
I’m obviously not advocating for all of these. I just checked Euthy’s sheet for outlier stats on an assortment of rifles to show some potential limits without pushing immersion.
Select as many of these as you think would make it balanced at BR 4, and we get something that’s interesting and unique at BR 4 that satisfies:
- The people who want strict historical accuracy
- The people that want something unique or interesting, non-cookie cutter
- The people that want something competitive
thanks people tak about balance but rarley mean it
like a lot of us weapons the garand is heavier than many ww2 comparatives
thompson, bar
i wanted to give it a higher rate of fire
but as a full caliber weapon it does not fit
but a beefy enblock rifle should reload fast as it reloads all eight rounds at once
i find it hard to choose
high damage and reload seem to fit
but should i go with reduce visual recoil or recoil
if you could choose three what three do you think would fit or would best without being op
thanks for being patient you did an amazing job of listing powerful rifle traits without the garand trying to out reload the zh29 also great pic love that square jaw loly
It’s hard to say until it actually got tested in-game to see how strong it would be, it would be purely speculation. I also believe BR 4 Semi-Autos should be stronger than they currently sit, as they’re more like BR 3.5 when compared to select-fires.
I would say for the Garand specifically: 16.8 damage, 2.0 second reload, 1.3 ADS speed and relatively low recoil would feel really good.
at that point i might even give the g43 a small boost, not that familiar with g43, no reload boost but maybe damage and visual recoil?
the g41 needs a full rework its still at its br3 levels while they moved the johnson to br3 making the g41 weak
more damage and a reload closer to the johnson
I’d use the limited field test 20 round mag plus 16.8 damage.
USSR and Japan can get SVT-40 20 and Chinese or Thai ZH-29 with 20 rounds, or buff the 10 rounds to similar strength of the M1 Garand we discussed above.
Ok problem, if you move the garand to br4
Buff it
Then give all 10 rounds the same buffs
The garand ends up 1’br weaker again
You cant have a gun with the same reload ect ect stats but a smaller magazine
That’s if the zh29
Has the same reload
Same ads
Same dispersion
But ten round mag vs an 8 it’s too strong compared to the garand
I might be confused
But could you give me the stats of the new br4 zh29
And the br4 garand
And yes 2 bullets per mag matter
No the bayonet is not enough I’ll gladly trade it forv2 more bullets per mag
It would not be as bad as moving the g43’ zh29 to br3
But the garand still has to do something better than guns with a bigger mag
Sorry but I thought the buffed garand was just to move it to br4
Not then buff the current br4 'rifles as well
Hmmm…
then you have nothing to whine about lee-enfield has double the ammo than other BA’s.
Use that.
As I pointed before, the rifles were supplied to the French navy and commandos because the Allies did not want the French to adopt a new weapon.
The rifle was in service, but not used in combat like the M30 Luftwaffe Drilling.
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I would be interested to see the source on that.
The only mention on MAS 44’s production number I see there is 7000 in the header, without anything to back it up?
Gun Jesus seems to be of the opinion they didn’t produce them during WW2 and I have no reason not to believe him.
(https://youtu.be/gCjzyzYVWIc?si=WgwsOuZKyNzkXoKq&t=326)
And yes I know we’ve had much worse shit added to the game like silenced PPSh or Su-9 1946, but I’m still curious about MAS-44’s relevance for WW2.
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As I said before, opinions defer, I saw the video myself but used nothing from it since Ian McCollum´s research on the Mas-44 is so superficial, that it did not add anything. The source I linked is far more indepth and researched.
Lets be realistic here, you start producing a rifle in september of 1944 and nothing comes off the production till 1945 september? Stupid assumption most likely based on the fact that the rifle did not see combat in WW2, but that was already discussed.
Well I haven’t seen an author more reputable than Ian McCollum claim something contrary to his words so far.
I’m curious about where the 7000 figure comes from.
Why not 0, not 7, not 70, not 700 but 7000? Based on what?
Check the cited sources.
He is respected, but thats not true. He got lot of flak with Beretta 30 rounds mag being WW2.
Someone who follows his work could probably list you a long line of errors.
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He apparently got the RoF wrong on the early Type 100 SMG.
That’s the thing that usually comes to mind for me, first.
Huh…? I thought they were used in WW2. Mechanically and construction wise, the 30 rounders and the 40 rounders are almost identical, what differs is that the 30 round ones have a buffer on the inside, preventing you from loading the last 10 rounds, to preserve spring tension.
All you need to turn a 40 round mag into a 30 round mag and vice versa is to add or remove this easily removeable internal buffer.
At least, as far as I understand it, these buffers existed during WW2. It’s just that after WW2 the 30-round mags saw continued wide production, which muddies the waters quite a bit.
This one?
They just claim 7000 without any reference.
The 3 amazon books they link at the bottom of the article I don’t own.
I’ve seen claims that the initial order for production was about 7000 but that doesn’t mean any at all were produced during WW2.
Last time I looked into that, I found that the buffer is a post-war thing, I got no sources on me at this time though and Im basically just talking from memory here, so you could be right.
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