Thinks I should get banned for commenting on the Nazi names crazy
But if you wanna associate with that crowd by all means
It’s the best assault rifle in the game now not sure what ur on. It’s a laser still in the test server while federov is very hard to control
Guy gets surprised to meet people of different political views on the forum of a WW2 game.
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That is the Fedorov Avtomat which will be the biggest winner of the plannes changes.
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Isn’t the Fedov the biggest winner each and every update?
(I swear that thing receive buffs every patch… Who needs legs when you have such an amazing crutch!)
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Federov got the same nerf as the normal select fires so not rlly.
Fedorov is the least affected of the changes out of all rifles firing full power cartridges.
It will be the most controllable tech tree SF rifle in the game with the new update, unless devs roll back the changes.
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How? Did a fairy tell you? Hell, have you even tried either gun out on the test server? Scotti had less of a nerf than federov. I’ve played both and federov now has serious detriments due its recoil. Scotti does not.
The Fedorov is still a SF rifle in the AR category, has nearly double the ammo of the Scotti and a bayonet. It’s not a bad weapon by any stretch of the imagination
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Never said it’s bad. Just said the Scotti is now better
Shouldn’t it be in the machine gun category? That was originally their role, in fact.
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I obviously tried them. Otherwise I would not be speaking of this. Im not an idiot that butts into everything with no idea how things work.
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Full-power rifle cartridges and intermediate cartridges are fundamentally different types of ammunition; how, then, can one simply assert that any fully automatic rifle qualifies as an “assault rifle”? Weapons capable of sustained automatic fire using full-power rifle cartridges are, by definition, machine guns. Under normal circumstances, attempting to fire a standard automatic rifle chambered for full-power rounds in full-auto mode would result in recoil so severe that it could actually dislocate the shooter’s shoulder. Do you understand what I’m getting at? An automatic rifle is an automatic rifle, and an assault rifle is an assault rifle; the two must not be conflated. Their ultimate classification is determined by the type of ammunition they utilize and the resulting recoil characteristics—not by which historical commando units happened to employ them.
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It is quite obvious that he has never handled a firearm; otherwise, he wouldn’t be unable to grasp why bolt-action rifle ammunition is interchangeable with machine gun ammunition, whereas assault rifle ammunition is not compatible with that of other rifles.
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Yeah it makes no sense that Fedorov got away with not getting hit with the recoil control nerf - just because it is a weapon for Assaulters doesn’t mean its an assault rifle. Yes it is more limited than other SFR and as such should logically be allowed to be overall better - but thats why its got a 25 round mag.
I never fired a real gun in my life, but watching Gun Jesus had become a second religion of mine.
Guess being a gun nerd without shooting ever a real one… yeah, I should go and try that out one day.
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I didn’t say automatic rifles are assault rifles, I said that automatic rifles should be moved to the Assault class because it is more fitting.
It isn’t though. The BAR, Chauchat, Charlton and Lewis Assault Phase Rifle are all automatic rifles. Do those belong in the Assaulter Class? They certainly weren’t designed for that.
I think you misunderstand me. I’m talking about the more typical automatic rifles like the AVS, FG, T20, etc. But those you said bring up some interesting cases
Sometimes the family tree can get a little complicated and there was some overlap but I say “if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck”; or in our case if it looks like a machine gun/ automatic rifle. Simply put true automatic rifles look like your stereotypical rifle while machine guns look like a relative of the maxim gun. For example I don’t think anyone would ever confuse the Bren for a rifle. If you get what I mean.
Also their tactical role. Automatic rifles were to create an infantry portable automatic weapon while machine guns are meant for providing sustained fire support. We can look at it on a case by case basis.
The original BAR was. At the same time Germany created the submachine gun to bring close range automatic fire to the trenches, America made a fully automatic rifle in 30-06. Same principal but different execution.
By the time of WW2 the US tried to make it more into the lmg role by adding a bipod and heavy barrel.
In game the BAR would remain as a “MG” because that’s the role it was pushed into, although we could make the original BAR an AR and the A1 and A2 could remain MGs.
In my opinion automatic rifle was just a name they thought sounded cool and they wanted to evoke the spirit of the American BAR, but in practice this thing seems more like a machine gun
It was the BAR’s competitor so yes it would be a true automatic rifle
Yes they (at least maybe not the Charlton and Chauchat) do because they had basically the same role as submachine guns. An infantry portable automatic weapon, distinct from the role of machine guns.
And the Thompson that would actually fill that the same role as the MP18. It was designed in 1918 to break the stalemate but, unlike the MP18 designed in the same year, did not arrive in time to see actual combat.
Those are not typical Automatic Rifles. They are typical Battle Rifles. While not a fully fixed term a Battle Rifle, like the FAL, G3 or M14, is generally speaking a self loading rifle firing full sized rifle rounds while being intended for general infantry service. The FG-42 doesn’t fit in either of the definitions all that well since it’s intended role was everything. The T20 was later used as a basis to develop the M14 and intended to fill the same role as the Garand, a general infantry rifle. The AVS, like the SVT, was developed to replace the Mosin-Nagant in Soviet service but due to it’s issues did not succeed.
A Submachine gun and Automatic Rifles, à la BAR and Chauchat, do not fill the same role. Both Chaucaht and BAR were designed for walking fire during Trench Warfare. They were not designed for increased fire power in close range engagements like most SMGs.
If Automatic Rifles are to be removed from general riflemen the only class they can be assigned to is Machine Gunners.