As I said before, opinions defer, I saw the video myself but used nothing from it since Ian McCollum´s research on the Mas-44 is so superficial, that it did not add anything. The source I linked is far more indepth and researched.
Lets be realistic here, you start producing a rifle in september of 1944 and nothing comes off the production till 1945 september? Stupid assumption most likely based on the fact that the rifle did not see combat in WW2, but that was already discussed.
Well I haven’t seen an author more reputable than Ian McCollum claim something contrary to his words so far.
I’m curious about where the 7000 figure comes from.
Why not 0, not 7, not 70, not 700 but 7000? Based on what?
Check the cited sources.
He is respected, but thats not true. He got lot of flak with Beretta 30 rounds mag being WW2.
Someone who follows his work could probably list you a long line of errors.
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He apparently got the RoF wrong on the early Type 100 SMG.
That’s the thing that usually comes to mind for me, first.
Huh…? I thought they were used in WW2. Mechanically and construction wise, the 30 rounders and the 40 rounders are almost identical, what differs is that the 30 round ones have a buffer on the inside, preventing you from loading the last 10 rounds, to preserve spring tension.
All you need to turn a 40 round mag into a 30 round mag and vice versa is to add or remove this easily removeable internal buffer.
At least, as far as I understand it, these buffers existed during WW2. It’s just that after WW2 the 30-round mags saw continued wide production, which muddies the waters quite a bit.
This one?
They just claim 7000 without any reference.
The 3 amazon books they link at the bottom of the article I don’t own.
I’ve seen claims that the initial order for production was about 7000 but that doesn’t mean any at all were produced during WW2.
Last time I looked into that, I found that the buffer is a post-war thing, I got no sources on me at this time though and Im basically just talking from memory here, so you could be right.
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no, the order was 20 000 rifles every month.
Dont know what you are confusing those numbers with, but you are definitely off the mark here.
Ok but who says any at all were produced during WW2?
If so, how many?
It’s got all of the worst factors imagienable for accurately determining wether 30 rounders existed during WW2 or not.
I just remembered that I recently did an hours research in the past got me a firm “maybe…? Possibly…?”.
Anyway, this isn’t the point of the discussion, my bad. All this is to say… Gun Jesus is not the final authroity of firearms history. He summerizes from available material to him, often provided by the people he visited when making that video, and those materials can at times be incorrect.
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Most people check his videos to see him take apart the gun and assemble it again. He is probably one of the best in this regard based on how many guns he had seen and took apart in his life.
However he never really focused on historical details like production numbers, deployment history etc. He is a surprisingly bad source in that.
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see:
Do you own them? Did you find how many were made during WW2?
I have no need to look into them since the site already gives production number.
Production number including after WW2. Which can technically be 0 during WW2 and all after WW2.
“well boys the war is over, lets build 7000 rifles than stop producing rifles altogether”
Clearly not the case, its obvious that production was shut down with the end of the war and only the half finished rifles were completed afterwards.
Or it can be the other way round:
“Sacre bleu, the factory is ruined, all the workers are hungry, the Germans stole all the pencils, enginner Jan-Jaques is on the front with Free French, let’s try to make at least 1 rifle this month and 2 next month”
Then, after the war is over “Ok now everyone is here and safe, now we can make as many as we want”.
In any case, evidently no one knows how many (if any) were made during WW2.
except, they didnt need rifles after the war, which is backed by the fact that production was shut down soon after.
probably, I bet that the production number is based on serial numbers too.
wait the lee is a semi auto and not a bolt action crazy me i thought it was the other way, if the garand moves to br4 it has to be as good not worse than the g43 or zh29
it has more ammo since you are so concerned about two (2) rounds on SA rifle.
There is already gayrand with GL in BR4 so you can wipe off those tears.
The weapon was used in Indochina, not World War II according to Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons (see 16:49 in the video). The Indochina conflict began in December of 1946 as a result of other conflict and tension in the reason, which is the more likely reason for an urgent manufacturing of 6200 rifles.
Edit: I missed the discussion above regarding Gun Jesus specifically, I should have done so and included that in my synopsis. Sorry about that. I’ll repeat what others have said and take his info with a grain of salt.