New SMG for Axis 3 BR and 5 BR

Hello forum members

In our game there is a problem: Germany lacks a competitive submachine gun compared to other factions. The weapons available in the progression tree cannot compete with the equivalent weapons used by opponents.

I suggest considering and possibly introducing the most realistic and historically accurate weapon that could achieve balance.

For Battle Ratings 3, 4, and 5.

I’d like to suggest adding a lesser-known but historically relevant line of submachine guns - the SIG MK series.

Variants (9×19 Parabellum)

SIG MKMS (9×19)

  • Rate of fire: 800–900 RPM
  • Magazine: 30 or 40 rounds
  • Weight: ~3.9 kg
  • Operation: simple blowback

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SIG MKMS


SIG MKPS (9×19, compact variant)

  • Rate of fire: ~900 RPM
  • Magazine: 30 rounds
  • Length: 820 mm

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SIG MKPS


Ammunition

These weapons were produced in multiple calibers:

  • 9×19 Parabellum
  • 7.65×21
  • 7.63×25
  • 9×25 Mauser

For this proposal, only the 9×19 Parabellum variants are considered, as they best match standard German logistics and existing in-game systems.

Historical Use

  • Finland purchased approximately 282 units
  • Deliveries took place in 1940
  • Weapons saw actual combat use

This confirms that the SIG MK series was not experimental or obscure, but actively used during World War II, including on the Eastern Front.


3 BR SUOMI SMG’S

Suomi KP/-31 (36-round box magazine)

  • Magazine: 36 rounds
  • Faster reload than drum
  • Rate of fire: ~980 RPM (consistent with in-game premium squad)

we have many variations with grips and with Vfd

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FINNISH ARMY 1918 - 1945: MACHINEPISTOLS PART 1


5 BR SUOMI SMG


Suomi KP/-31 (50-round “Coffin” magazine) 4 BR

  • Magazine: 50 rounds
  • Balanced between capacity and reload speed
  • Rate of fire: ~980 RPM

→ Good candidate for BR IV as a versatile mid-tier SMG.
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Suomi KP/-31 (Drum + foregrip / compensator variant)

  • Magazine: drum (high capacity)
  • Added vertical foregrip and/or muzzle compensator
  • Improved recoil control and stability
  • Rate of fire: ~980 RPM

→ Strong BR V variant with better handling instead of higher damage.

There are very few historically grounded SMG options left for Germany. Most alternatives come down to field modifications or captured weapons like PPSh, which are not very popular and don’t really fit the faction identity.

At the same time, other factions already have a large variety of SMGs - especially the Soviets, with multiple PPSh variants (phosphate, 100-round, PPSh-45, etc.), and also Thompsons filling similar roles across BR IV.

That’s why focusing on 9×19 Parabellum variants makes the most sense. They align with German logistics and fit naturally into the progression.

By introducing variants with different magazines, foregrips, stocks, or muzzle devices, it’s possible to expand the lineup without adding unrealistic weapons.

This would help properly fill BR III and BR V, while keeping both gameplay and historical authenticity intact.

Should these SMGs be added to the game in this form?
  • Yes
  • No
  • I will explain in the comments
0 voters
Which option do you think should be added?
  • SIG MKMS
  • SIG MKPS
  • Suomi KP-31 box (36) with grip
  • Suomi KP-31 coffin 50
  • Suomi KP-31 drum with grip and VFD
  • All options
0 voters
In your opinion, where should such a weapon be available?
  • In Technical tree
  • In an Event
  • In the Battle Pass
0 voters
5 Likes

Germany has no BR5 SMG, and only one BR4 SMG at the moment - makes alot of sense to add some of these to the TT

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Overall, yeah — because all the interesting SMGs/ARs are only available in the Battle Pass or were given out for Golden Orders. I mostly use the Kenders smg and the Scotti rifle, and sometimes fill the gap with the MP 717r, but it feels like the weakest of them all.

Honestly, I haven’t seen any new and truly good small arms in a long time. Whenever something gets added, it’s either mediocre or just unnecessary, unfortunately.

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I wonder, shouldn’t the 50 rounds drum suomi be br4 instead of 5?

It’s similar to the ppd40, and has less ammunitions in it’s drum? Yet ppd40 is br4.

Edit: I saw you put it br4 afterwards, but I got confused as it’s under the br5 smg tab.

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postwar, isn’t it?

Pre-war

1930s

Even Decard post it xD

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it would be seriously better if you made separate threads for each gun suggestion

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You can suggest it in a separate thread, I’ll be all for it.

Honestly, I’m surprised by such strong support - all 41 people voted in favor of the proposal. I wonder how soon we’ll see these SMGs. Anyway, thanks to everyone who supported and voted. Let’s hope it happens soon. :camel:

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It would be great because we would stop seeing ppl complain br3 especially and other br axis smgs are lacking…

It would become relatively peaceful, eh?

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Yeah i hope so
Maybe buff g41 or new Self-loading rifle on 3 br
And almost all i think

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Might be swedish mag or might not, finns made these ~1943 and it was withdrawn from service relatively quickly due to 71 drum just being better.

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Even without going into details, would you be interested in seeing different variations of the Suomi?

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sure, plenty to choose from.

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want more guns and tools for BR2 and BR3

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Yes, there is not enough interesting gun content

Those are pretty cool lineup. I’d have to point out though that Suomi with 36rds box mag could be pretty OP on BR3, assuming it’s having the same damage and control of the Suomi we have now. So that one has to be given a second thought.

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Dude soviets have ppsh-41 box mag in TT
And try to compare it cant be OP
Ttk ppsh > suomi

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That’s not really the case mate. I’ve been playing USSR BR3 extensively and I guarantee you that albeit being a powerful BR3 SMG, it’s nowhere near OP.

It only excel on point blank range, and as the distance goes to even just 20m, PPSh41 starts to have problem taking down enemy in an efficient manner.

This is primarily due to its 5.5 base dmg, and yes that’s a huge difference compare with 5.7, due to how the HP and damage degradation from distance is set up in this game, the 2 hit kill distance is at least 30 meters closer or something like that.

In theory it has 35rds, but in reality due to the fast ROF it feels more like a 25rds SMG, combine with it’s not exactly nice recoil, you take at least half a mag to take down an enemy at distance, PPSh41 perform worse at distance than frankly any mainstream SMG on BR3, it’s not even as good as MP40 on above 30m.

Then there’s something personally annoying, it differs from person to person I’d imagine but the muzzle flash on PPSh41, I mean holy cow, when you start to fire into targets in shadow the clarity goes in hell and everyone near your aiming point just vanish from your sight.

Anyone I talked to who played USSR BR3 agreed that Uragon (Did I spell it right?) is a better SMG. It’s more controllable, it’s more efficient across all ranges, its firepower is more durable, and the only trade off is that slightest edge on point blank range, and this gun is widely refers to be the best SMG on BR3.

So now if you compare Uragon to potentially Suomi 36rds box mag, it’s pretty clear that Suomi is going to outmatch it by a lot. Faster ROF, slightly large mag, same damage and lower recoil (assuming it’ll be the same from the 71rd version in game) means this new addition is going to be better than the best in game.

Ok. Nothing new with spicing up the normality. God forbid soviets lose their throne.

Oh wait… it’s because it’s germany.