Mukden Arsenal Type 13 Liao rifle

LETTER FROM THE COMMANDER OF THE CHINESE 8TH ARMY, ZHU DE,
TO THE COMMANDER OF THE TRANSBAIKAL FRONT,
ON THE DISLOCACTION OF CHINESE TROOPS

Yan’an, September 14, 1945.

To the Commander of the Transbaikal Front,

Marshal of the Soviet Union Comrade Malinovsky.

  1. From your representative, Lieutenant Colonel Comrade. We learned
    that the Kuomintang troops and the troops of the 8th People’s Revolutionary Army will be able
    to enter Manchuria only after a specially set deadline, after the evacuation
    of the Red Army from there.

  2. To meet your wishes, I have ordered individual units
    8 HPAs that entered Mukden, Changchun, Dairen, Pingquan and other locations
    Manchuria, immediately evacuate from the areas occupied by the Red Army.

  3. After the start of the anti-Japanese war in 1937, parts of the 8th NRA were already operating
    in the territory of the province of Zhehe and Liaoning, where they established bases (see
    attached diagram*). In this regard, the parts of the 8th NRA operating in the above-mentioned
    areas, please leave at the place of their deployment. (They were before and they stay there - Decard)

Warmly congratulate you and entrusted

And in which campaign you will see them since we don’t have Chinese faction ? The Enlisted model dose not support such redistribution of weapons if it was focused more on small factions and early campaigns and pre WW 2 battles would be interesting however Enlisted is focused mainly on mid and late war campaigns and 4 faction model.

The same time as Lui rifle squad in Normandy

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Well I think will be far better to limit such squads then continue expanding it. Its far more important to have more guns in the TT then having them as event weapons. Japan has very few options for weapons and the 4 faction model simply is beneficial to bring majority of Chinese equipment in the Japanese TT.

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Well, we have marrocan squad since beginning. And no one cares. But if give something to soviet side - oh my oh my

The soviets already have 1 Chinese squad and another as a future event. Absolutely not valid point. And they have Chinese bolt action rifle already.

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Well, I looking forward to more of this good stuff

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Tsingdao

As you can see it can be perfect event squad or premium or even paratrooper squad for Japan. Since Japan has very few event squads so far the lowest of all the other nations and most of the times is just lazy squads. The only unique squad Japan got was the paratroopers only 1 squad and the worst ,the rifleman with the flags and the flame planes. All other event squads Japan got where lazy radio operators ,combat engineers, Apc squads and the Tiger 1 squad where all lazy ways the devs to say ohh look we are making squads for Japan but non of them where unique. So far Japan has the worst event squads.

I even suggest it

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its not even a Chinese rifle, its Manchurian.
Besides some communist spies being in the region doesnt change the fact that the rifle was NOT used by the Chinese People´s Liberation Army during the Second Sino-Japanese war, especially since most of the rifles were deployed elsewhere by 1945.

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it was a guerilla squads not a spies. Recon squad will be a good reward - even a new type of squads
They use all Mukden arsenal gear

NO Chinese stuff for Soviet faction, period.
Simple.

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I dont get it, why do you want Manchurian weapons for Soviets so bad?
They make 101% more sense historically with Japan and its not like Japan does not the these guns more than Soviets. Even before Japanese occupation the Fengtian clique was closely aligned with Japan and hardcore anti-communist.
The claim that the weapon belongs to SU because Communist Chinese troops have maybe captured a handful of these rifles is just ridiculous on all levels.

Literally just two weeks ago I offered a bunch of guns on silver plate to SU faction, pick some other gun and stop your nonsense.

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I like some good uniqe stuff for su. Chinese is closer allies. There was a joint operations with them - so gain hundreds of chinese uniqe guns is a great idea

I like yo have as more chinese squad as we can

Also we can have mongolian troops, polish patriots, 1st Czechoslovak Army Corps in the Soviet Union and many others

A respectable point, but you laid your eyes on a bad gun.
There really is no point for Soviets to steal this rifle from Japan.

I have suggested other unique rifles for Soviets and I still have one up my sleeve, not to mention that the topic I linked {firearms used by communist forces} is full of interesting and unique guns.

not a good idea if they have Chinese weapons, we would end up with Chinese troops running around in Stalingrad or Berlin, unless thats what you want.

So far all Czech weapons got added to Axis, which is the most historically accurate choice.

in the Western Allies.
Unless you are also fine with adding Russian Liberation Army to Axis since Polish Army in the east is just controversial for Polish people.

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Well here he has a point Polish army in the east was part of the war and its not controversial. History is what it is if we go to controversial part Churchill said “Poland is a greedy hyena of Europe” so you cant change history cuz its not fitting your political view. Poland participated in Berlin offensive :

First Polish Army (1944–1945) - Wikipedia

As you can see its a real thing. As much as it can be added to the west it can be added to the east. But for sure it cant be added to Japan :smiley:

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I’d love a little more bolt action variety for my BR1 squads so yes please! :smiling_face:

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Document C13021539800 from JACAR presents the armament of the puppet state of Mengjiang. I have extracted the information regarding the Type 13 rifles (other rifles are not even mentioned):

Division Type 13 Rifle
Directly Controlled Units, Schools, and Government Offices 1,144
4th Division 899
5th Division 899
6th Division 899
7th Division 899
8th Division 899
B-1 Division 319
B-2 Division 319
Total 6,677
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