MP40 variants fire rate and dispersion buff

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Yes, I know those are MP38s

Hello bajtársak and fellow forumdwellers,

In the past one year, BR2 has seen many changes to its submachine guns, with multiple buffs, nerfs and BR changes that ultimately raised the bar and the MP40 was thus left behind.

Submachine Guns Damage Reload Timings (s) Statcard Recoil Actual Recoil Moving Spread Increase
Weapon Name Obtained BR 10m 100m Velocity Magazine Reload Alt Reload Rate of Fire Vertical Horizontal Recoil Control Vertical Horizontal Dispersion While Aiming Hipfiring Visual Recoil Recoil Dir ADS Speed Recoil Offset Sprint Factor Weight Additional Info
MP 41 Founder Pack II 7,0 4,0 400 32 2,5 1,90 590 20 6 0,4 8 2 0,70 0,0 15,0 1,6 0,4 0,8 0,3 100% 4,7 32/128
MP40/1 Premium III 7,0 4,0 400 32+32 2,9 2,52 570 26 9 0,4 10 4 0,70 0,0 15,0 1,6 0,4 0,8 0,3 100% 3,97 32+32/160
MP 40 Silenced Veteran’s Box II 6,8 3,9 400 32 2,1 1,71 570 27 9 0,4 11 4 0,70 0,0 15,0 1,6 0,35 0,8 0,3 100% 4,7 32/128
MP 38 48000 XP II 6,8 4,0 400 32 2,3 1,7 570 28 10 0,4 11 4 0,65 0,0 15,0 1,6 0,4 0,8 0,3 100% 4,8 32/128
MP 40 100000 XP II 7,0 4,0 400 32 2,1 1,71 570 27 9 0,3 8 3 0,70 0,0 15,0 1,6 0,35 0,8 0,3 100% 4,7 32/128
Submachine Guns Damage Reload Timings (s) Statcard Recoil Actual Recoil Moving Spread Increase
Weapon Name Obtained BR 10m 100m Velocity Magazine Reload Alt Reload Rate of Fire Vertical Horizontal Recoil Control Vertical Horizontal Dispersion While Aiming Hipfiring Visual Recoil Recoil Dir ADS Speed Recoil Offset Sprint Factor Weight Additional Info
Beretta M38/42 115000 XP II 6,8 4,0 430 40 2,3 1,9 630 27 8 0,4 11 3 0,68 0,0 15,0 1,6 0,4 0,8 0,3 100% 4,2 40/120
Lanchester 58000 XP II 6,8 4,0 400 32 2,3 1,8 690 30 11 0,4 12 4 0,71 0,0 15,0 1,6 0,1 0,8 0,3 100% 5,2 32/128
M1A1 Thompson 105000 XP II 8,2 5,5 265 30 2,3 1,8 690 36 14 0,4 14 5 0,73 0,0 15,0 1,2 0,4 0,72 0,3 100% 4,6 30/90
PPS-42 32000 XP II 6,7 3,4 450 35 2,4 1,89 690 25 7 0,3 8 2 0,74 0,0 15,0 1,6 0,33 0,8 0,3 100% 3,115 35/105
PPS-43 36000 XP II 6,7 3,4 450 35 2,2 1,7 800 29 10 0,4 12 4 0,71 0,0 15,0 1,6 0,4 0,8 0,3 100% 3,155 35/105
Type 100 SMG (Early) 25000 RP II 6.7 3.8 350 30 2.2 1.7 810 23 9 0.25 6 2 0.60 0.0 13.0 1.0 0.34 0.75 - 100% 4.22 30/120

A minor fire rate buff would help increase its viability at close ranges while a dispersion buff would increase its usefulness at mid range. Making the MP40 worthy to be used over the Beretta 38/42, but not make it straight up better.

Fire rate buff

Fire rate increased from 500 rounds per minute to 550 by default.

Effected weapons

  • MP40
  • MP40/1
  • MP40 (silenced)
  • MP40 (white)

notes:

The MP40/1 is an old legacy premium squad armed with MP40 that has dual magazine on BR3, it really needs a buff, if it is not moved to BR2.
MP40 (white) is identical to MP40 thus its stats were not even displayed.

NOT effected

  • MP38
  • MP41

notes:
The MP41 from the founderpack has its own unique fire rate of 520 rpm (actually 590 after the 1.15x upgrade) and thus should retain it.
The MP38 does not get a fire rate buff for two reasons, first is variety, should anyone wish to use a SMG with 500 rpm, the second reason is the more prominent one, MP38 quality control was stronger and almost all sources agree on the 500 rpm fire rate.

Dispersion buff

Dispersion/deviation is decreased to 0.77 by default.

Effected guns:

  • MP40
  • MP40 (silenced)
  • MP40 (white)
  • MP40/1
  • MP41

With this change all MP40 variants would have the same 0.65 dispersion (max upgraded) as the MP38 currently does.

Source for the fire rate buff:
MP40
MP 38 AND MP 40 SUBMACHINE GUNS; ALEJANDRO DE QUESADA

Buff the MP40 and its variants?
  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

thank you for your time and attention!

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Could just boost dmg so its always 2hk regardless TNMT & vitality.
Decrease dispersion, so theres actually a reason to choose gun with lower rof.

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MP40 currently does 7.0 damage max upgraded, it would need 7.9 damage to have a functional difference, I think that would be too much for a 9x19 parabellum gun.

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Love the MP40, just do wish it had a better fire rate. I now use Erma emp for that when vitally needed for storming with mp40 as the back up. Xxx

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Made a small edit, I forgot to mention the name of the book, I used as source.
I fixed the short coming.

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I’m fine with it existing as it currently does, but with a dispersion buff. It should have Japanese SMG levels of control for being a slow firing, but heavy hitting SMG at BR 2.

Instead of eeking weapons closer and closer to something of Lanchester/PPS-43/Type 100 Early equivalence, why not just add a variant of the Bergmann MP.35 to the tech tree at BR 2, with 6.7/6.8 damage?

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Isn’t that already a event weapon, though…?

I understand the concern about powercreep, though. Although, as a counter to that, the MP 40 is a really iconic weapon, and currently it’s not a very attractive choice in the BR II German line-up, due to there being noticeably better options to pick from… I don’t think a mere 60 points increase in RoF (for the upgraded stats) will make it objectively the best option.

At most, I can see it compete with the Beretta M38/42 for the “generalist gun” spot… Which I think is fine, that both Italy and Germany get a generalist BR II SMG option.

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I guess the MP.35/I has almost identical stats now. They could bump it down to BR II and change it’s reload back to 2.7, to justify the extra 50 base RoF from the Lanchester?

I’d honestly change the reload back for both guns. 750 upgraded RoF at 6.8 damage is arguably as good as the existing PPS-43 without some sort of drawback, and I’d like to see the PPS-43 RoF dropped to 650 base/750 upgraded too.

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This is fair… Didn’t agree with removing all of it’s extra damage, it really isn’t much of a BR III gun anymore…

Though, then we arrive at the same position that there’ll be another objectively better BR II 9mm SMG in the MP-40s BR bracket… I think the MP 40 deserves better, personally.

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If it gets optimized in it’s current role as a slower firing but harder hitting SMG, I think it could stay in BR 2. It’s kind of like how a lot of players are hopping over to the Uragan over the PPSh-41 Box now because of how consistently it can two-tap.

I know body armour is the reason why the two-tap of the MP.40 is inconsistent on the MP.40, but if that wasn’t a part of the conversation, and it had ZK-383 levels of recoil and dispersion, I think it would fit really well within BR 2 balance.

We could also have the MP.38 downtiered to BR 1, with it being the “conventional” SMG of choice at that BR for Germany?

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To answer everything in bulk.
There will always be a gun that is worse than another gun on the same BR, but generally all guns on the same BR should be viable, otherwise its just wasted content.

Anyway due to recent buffs, nerfs and BR changes I realised that 5 BRs werent enough to properly balance Enlisted and there are some serious gaps in power, except for aircraft.
The most obvious is with tanks, BR3 tanks like T-40 1940 should never see a Panther but both vehicles are placed at their logical BR which reflects their power level. Its not Panther that needs to be a BR higher and not T-34 40 that needs to be a BR lower, a BR is missing.
Vehicles KV-1 (zis-5) and SU-85 should be fighting Panther in an uptier.

The same goes for BR2 SMGs, the gap between the worst BR2 and the best BR3 SMG is too big.
The best BR2 SMGs and the worst BR3 SMGs would need their own BR.

A BR is also missing between BR2 and BR3 LMGs (just try compare MG34 and Breda 30)

In terms of rifles… SF rifles are obviously too OP.

I dare say that even AT weapons have a BR missing. BR2 AT weapons should be semi-auto AT rifles and bad AT launchers like PIAT while rocket launchers should start from a BR higher.

So to come back to MP35, it should really be a BR lower, but not on the same BR as MP40, but still on the same BR as PPS-43, M1A1 Thompson and Type100 (early)

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Ideally MP.40 is more of a BR 1 weapon, but there’s so much equipment/filler in both BR 1 and 2 for Germany/Italy SMGs that it’s hard to pick what goes where.

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i prefer third option and that is nerf other BR2 guns or move them to BR3. BR1 and BR2 should be reserved for low damage and low firing SMG.

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Or make them significantly more accurated.
Mp40 would be viable even when uptiered if it was significantly more accurated.

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15

It would be nice to see more iconic WW2 guns buffed so they are used more.

Hopefully some of the main WW2 rifles like the Kar98 or Mosin can get a “lightened bolt” version with an increase of ROF so you don’t just predominantly see mannlichers or winchester/fedorov rifles

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If you’d prefer to just see the dispersion buffed, consider voting on this poll here:

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Well, it seems that the divergence between the German and Soviet submachine guns has already emerged since the BR2 was a big hit. Indeed, I think the MP40 should have a high proportion of precise damage. Its advantages lie in its excellent rate of fire and spread. However, according to veteran players, the MP40 has been nerfed three times. Now, the MP40 has become an ordinary submachine gun. If there are MP35 or MAS38, no one would choose the MP40. The MP40 is a signature weapon. It should be like the Soviet PPS41 at level 3, serving as a signature weapon and having powerful firepower to act as the main force of the German BR2. Moreover, the white MP40 should be prioritized to see if it can be developed into an elite firearm. The update is just too perfunctory. The new small event only offered two repainted guns and a small avatar to fob off players and boost performance. This is not the way to contribute to daily active users. You can’t expect a horse to run without feeding it or a car to go fast without fuel. What can be done then? It can only go downhill.

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Oh, it’s so great. I really want to give some feedback. I also want to post something, but I always forget. Or maybe I just don’t have the time. I can’t find any suitable pictures to describe it to everyone. For instance, the 12.7mm bullet of Italy is trimmed, which is worse than the 7.62mm bullet of Germany. This problem is inherited from WT. The damage of the 12.7mm of the two gold coins of Italy is very low. Compared with the three 7.62mm of the BF110, the difference is quite big. It would be great if you could bring this up and let everyone know. I think this issue is serious and affects the appearance rate and performance of these two aircraft.