Higher Capacity Semi-Automatic Rifles For BR 4 Tech Tree (General Topic)

Should 20 round semi-automatic, full-power rifles be added to the tech trees at BR 4?
  • Yes
  • No (Please Explain Why)
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We all know that the only semi-automatic, full-power cartridge rifles with an ammunition capacity beyond 10 in a detachable magazine are previous gold-order, battle pass, event or premium weapons. Examples include the Soviet SVT-40 15, British Farquhar-Hill M1918, Axis Gerät 03, and of course the current battle pass rifle, the Japanese captured ZH-32.

So while there are examples of these weapons that exist, and the developers have been given ample data on these weapons, there seems to be hesitation from the developers to also add these weapons to the tech tree. Let’s break down the possible reasons why these weapons may be held back from tech tree implementation:

REASON 1: HISTORICAL ACCURACY/RELEVANCE

At the very least, there are examples of weapons that saw limited service for every faction with 20 round capacities:

USSR: SVT-40 20
The SVT-40 we are all aware of, but with the same magazine used by the AVT-40 20. Aside from the addition of a fire selector switch in the trigger group in late-model SVT-40s to create the AVT-40, the SVT-40 and AVT-40 are functionally identical weapons.

Allies: Howell Automatic Rifle
The Howell Automatic Rifle was a WW1 semi-automatic conversion of the SMLE No.1 Mk.III Rifle, and was often equipped with the 20 round “trench magazine” of the Lee-Enfield. It was used in limited quantities by the British Home Guard, but didn’t see combat.

Axis: Gewehr 43 20
Limited quantities of Gewehr 43s were equipped with 20 round magazines in troop trials. These are the same magazines on the Premium Gerät 03 rifle.

Japan: Nanjing ZH-29
A copy of the ZH-29 by the Nanjing Puppet Regime, a government led by Wang Jingwei that was loyal to Japan. Like the ZH-29 and ZH-32, it was compatible with 20 round ZB-26 magazines, which were used in large quantities in China.

While these weapons aren’t as iconic as, say, a Gewehr 43 or an SVT-40, they still had historical relevance to WW2, enough to justify adding them to the tech tree in my opinion.

REASON 2: BALANCE CONCERNS

If a 20 round tech tree semi-automatic rifle exists, why use a 10 round rech tree semi-automatic rifle? Well, there should be some drawbacks to a larger magazine that make some degree of logical sense:

  • a slower reload speed
  • a slower ADS speed

And since 10 round semi autos are lackluster compared to other types of weapons from the same battle rating, and are eclipsed by BR 5 Select-Fire rifles, the following buffs can also be considered for existing and possible future 10 round rifles at BR 4:

  • Increased damage
  • maximum RoF of 380-420

So as an example, let’s say the Gewehr 43 20 was added to the Axis tech tree. Here is how the Gewehr 43 and Gewehr 43 20 could be distinguished as sidegrades, despite the difference in magazine capacity:

GEWEHR 43:

  • 10 Round Magazine
  • 16.8 Damage
  • 420 Rounds Per Minute
  • 0.8 ADS Speed
  • 2.3s Reload Speed

GEWEHR 43 20:

  • 20 Round Magazine
  • 15.3 Damage
  • 350 Rounds Per Minute
  • 0.6 ADS Speed
  • 3.0s Reload Speed

I think it’s clear that the upsides of the 10 round version compared to the 20 round version might be worth considering in this scenario. Especially since, in contrast with the Select-Fires at BR 5, there is far less waste per bullet with semi-automatic rifles.

CONCLUSION:

I believe that providing 20 round semi-automatic rifle options in the tech tree would not only create some potential variety of choice, but can help trend BR 4 semi-automatics into a more balanced state compared to it’s peers of the same weapon class, as well as other BR 4 weapons within the tech trees in general.

Please note: the vote isn’t necessarily for the SPECIFIC weapons and balance choices I discuss, they are merely to help demonstrate the validity of the general suggestion. If you do not agree with what I have presented in argument, but agree in the GENERAL CONCEPT of 20 round semi-automatic rifles in the tech tree at BR 4 as described in the poll title, please vote yes.

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I love it! Very needed in game!

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Again? Wasn’'t this forwarded already?

garand, johnson, g41 useless
Still take it if major br3 buff or gararand is br2

As Euthy said, the weapons were “noted”, but we’ve only seen these weapons be added as battle pass or event additions since then.

The developers have never stated anything about adding 20 round rifles to the tech tree at BR 4. This thread is meant to collect and demonstrate interest on that topic.

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Like a reminder for devs to add what they filed in the archive already, nice, I like it.

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And how exactly would the Garand and the other BR3 rifles become useless?

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Are you crazy.

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It would be interesting that if 20 rounds BR IV rifles get added to the TTs, instead of buffing the already existant 10 rounder BR IV rifles they get downtiered to BR III and the clip-fed BR III rifles we already have get a damage buff to compensate their slower reload.

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I really think the full auto BR5 rifles should get the exact same recoil control as the BR4 semi auto rifles, and suddenly BR4 becomes much more competent

News flash, the weapon which is a BR above is better than the one below.

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Not useless all the time when fighting br3 and 2 they function as normal, but up tired to br4 they face a weapon with twice the ammo that reloads half as often. But that’s br2 vs br3 now, no br3 weapons I besides the broken 38 use stripper clips meaning they reload slower. But the garand, no that 5/6 vs 8 a 33 to 50 percent edge that again reloads slower. You are focusing on balancing br4’and br5 only.
How to balance br4 with 20 rounds reload 50-100 percent slower then 10 round br3 rifles.

How are you this dumb. You do realise the same is true for br4 → and br2 → 3 but way worse right.
5 round bolt actions to 10 round semi autos and 10 round demi autos to 20 round full autos. You argument makes no sense.

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How would a mag capacity increase reduce the damage?

When did anyone mention damage?

Look at the first post

Ah, thats what you ment.

The same way going from bolt action to semi auto or to fully auto reduces damage, to balance it. In this case the higher damage is to have the 10 round semi autos be worth using for it instead of the 20 rounders being pure upgrades like on SF rifles.

I would rather just increase recoil, increase ADS and Reload time than reduce damage