That’s a great catch, I totally forgot about the Stinger.
We should get it fixed, too. Most definitely.
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Should the Mkb 42 have an accurate magazine size? Yes, however, Gaijin has drifted so far from any historical accuracy that proof of existence or non existence is irrelevant to be honest. The game already has a sufficient number of weapons in the game that never sniffed a day of the war, so pandora’s box was opened and left open by the Dev’s a long time ago.
While I am strongly against those obscure prototypes, at least they are things that actuall existed and can be somewhat counted as “WW2 weaponry”.
However, straight up inventing magazines or other weapon parts is a completely different story for me.
It will bring us to the realm of cursed weaponry which has nothing to do with WW2 at all:
But I guess @ParaDivision will say “let’s think about the objective balance and quality of these guns first, and not make slop brainrot threads to stop them from appearing”
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It’s a pretty great argument for saying exists rather than existed :^)
“By US army standards”… You mean the standards they use as adoption criteria as well? The criteria that suddenly makes an AK not an assault rifle the moment the barrel is worn out or made by a quack?!
Ah yes, because that’s a definition that you should use as a universal standard…
It isn’t… By definition, including your, albeit stupid, definition as well…
nothing to do with historical accuracy
nothing to do with historical accuracy
quite sure I gave link to those standards.
This is some next level mental gymnastics.
Barrel quite often is consumable part in fair share of guns.
You did know that didnt u ?
You have better one somewhere ?
The only thing that makes it not assault rifle is the rifle cartridge.
But according to your mental gymnastics, this doesnt apply to .30 carbine which also is rifle cartridge rather than intermediate cartridge.
You kinda failed to explain this transgender .30carbine thing last time.
But do please enlight us.
Yes and here it is…
It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).
If the barrel is shit or the design is bad or doesn’t care about accuracy, suddenly it isn’t an assault rifle. This is the stupid shit you run into when you draw an arbitrary performance line. It’s like saying something can’t be an SMG unless its firerate is at least 200rpm.
I also find it hilarious how you, mister “just change the lathe when changing a factory’s product”, thinks that logical end points are mental gymnastics…
Yes… just remove the adoption criteria…
Select fire
Intermediate rifle cartridge
Detachable magazine
The full power rifle cartridge, yes… Do you just want to call all automatic rifles "assault rifles…?
I’m very much struggling to not throw expletives, you’re making it very difficult.
Intermediate cartridges are light rifle cartridges. And I’ve been the one constantly arguing that the .30 carbine is an intermediate cartridge and not a pistol cartridge, and that 6.5 arisaka and carcano are full powered rifle cartridges. You’ve been insistent in your vehement disagreement with this observable reality:
It’s either or, it can’t be what reality be because some trans cartridge lgbt blah blah reason…
No you just refused to listen, just like with the tooling regarding the PPD’s…
And again with the transgender cartridge shtick, you just seem like a very confused person…
You’re just a massive victim of the dunning kruger effect and I don’t know why I engage with you since all you do is doing the intellectual equivalent on drooling on my shoes and then spitting on my shirt when I ask you to stop drooling on my shoes…
Dunno, ive had pleasure to shoot shitty norico Ak47 and out of 18 shots 18 actually did hit the target.
Its not sniper rifle but did the job required.
Cant really think of any assault rifle or ever heard of one that had difficulties to hit 300m.
And id throw a sophisticated guess that majority of assault rifles are held in armorys where theyr condition is monitored. If the barrel is worn out beyond acceptable level it gets fixed.
Dunno, so far there was very little logical arguments.
Contact US army with your groundbreaking idea.
It has roughly 200-400 more muzzle energy than Ak47.
While .30 carbine has 700-800 less.
Did I ? I kinda just questioned your transgender .30 carbine here.
6.5 arisaka just is much closer to most intermediate cartridges of that era than .30 carbine.
So with what logic this murrican round has these transgender privileges ?
Dunno, seems to be listed as carbine / rifle cartridge at wikipedia.
So you kinda still fail to explain how something that is invented and made as rifle cartridge is magically intermediate ?
And if so, how come this doesnt apply to 6.5 arisaka.
Pretty simple.
“Shortly before World War II, the U.S. Army started a “light rifle” project to provide support personnel and rear area units a weapon with more firepower and accuracy than the standard issue M1911A1 .45 ACP handgun and half the weight of the standard issue M1 Garand .30-06 rifle or the .45 ACP Thompson submachine gun.”
Its extremely simple, .30 carbine is rifle / carbine cartridge. So with what logic you transgender it to intermediate ? And while doing so, how come this doesnt apply to 6.5 arisaka another rifle round that is actually by far more closer to intermediate cartridge ?
Very simple.
I find it slightly amusing that someone so intellectual still cant explain how .30 carbine classified as rifle / carbine round is intermediate but other rifle cartridges cant be intermediate regardless being much closer to most used ones.
Kinda like little bit of double standards ?
I believe this might’ve strayed from the topic at hand.
.30 Carbine would fit into the mold of an intermediate cartridge as it was designed to be a middle ground between the .45 ACP and .30-06 weapons used by the US, while something like 6.5 Arisaka and 6.5 Carcano are weak for rifle cartridges they are still full sized rifle cartridges. Not only were they designed that way they are also used in the military’s LMG and that is not the case for LMGs, only some SAWs.
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And invented for rear echelon troops, so it could be pdw cartridge. Which is quite irrelevant as
Both are designed as rifle cartridge. Question more or less is how the other cartridge can switch it category to its liking while other cant ?
Didnt the JP use the 7.7 in machine guns ?
6.5 was used in the Type 11 and 96 LMGs.
There is no such thing as a PDW cartridge. PDWs use pistol or intermediate cartridges. No cartridges can like anything, they’re not alive. Yet some are on the border, depending on the definition you use, like 6.5 Arisaka being a weak rifle cartridge could sometimes be seen as an intermediate cartridge.
.30 Carbine was designed as a carbine cartridge, not a rifle cartridge. .30-06 is a rifle cartridge because it was designed and used in rifles, same with .303 British or 8mm Mauser. .30 Carbine was never used in a rifle, nor in anything but carbines and pistols. A rifle calibre is easily identified if it is used in a rifle or MG, while intermediate cartridges are used in carbines.
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Which pretty much is the point.
Seems to be listed as carbine / rifle cartridge.
So what kind of cartridge is .17 HMR ?
Or 7.92x57 mauser ? Its used both in carbine & machine gun
What kind of carbine uses 8mm Mauser? Can you name a single one?
One source listing it as such doesn’t magically make it that. It’s an intermediate cartridge because it’s designed and used as a middle ground between pistol calibres and rifle calibres.
K98 its relatively obvious as its in the name Karabiner98 (carbine98)
7.62x54 moist nugget m38/m44
.303 british jungle lee-enfield
From moderns sr-25 / M110, scar-H comes first in mind
You see, the “carbine” usually just defines it shorter more compact version.
So what exactly is it ?
And to be more specific, for rear echelon troops making it more a PDW if you just have to press it into some modern category.
Or, just .30 carbine rifle cartridge, like its original user named it.
Weeeeelll, that’s not exactly true, PDW cartridges are, typically, necked down pistol cartridges, or in some cases also armor piercing pistol cartridges.
So basically:
Narrow definition: Pistol cartridges using rifle rounds, often necked down to accomodate
Broad definition: Most if not all armor piercing pistol cartridges.
But I still vehemently disagree that 6.5 arisaka is an intermediate cartridge, considering that it’s too powerful, too large, and never used in the manner or intention as an intermediate cartridge.
This is kind of true, but a bit incomplete. The modern term for carbine is basically a short rifle chambered in an intermediate cartridge or shorter version of a full rifle. The older term was just shorter rifle.
This is kind of like the term “Light machine gun”, which now means hand held machine gun chambered in an intermediate cartridge. But used to mean just hand held machine gun.
A plinking/small hunting round… which fucks everyone’s points up, but civilian grade ammo tends to do that in discussions of military ammunition categories… Not that you actually care, you just want to set up a gotcha you don’t actually understand…
Which for most militaries at the time was just a slightly shorter than standard rifle… Fuck’s sake, the Germans even knew that they were taking the piss by calling it a carbine, since they called the vz. 33 a rifle despite it being shorter than their supposed “carbine”.
Are you high?! What do you think the “R” stands for in both SCAR and SR?! Rcarbine?!
Then having a specific category cartridges doesn’t make much sense… Considering if it’s just a shorter version, then it uses the same cartridge as the normal one…
Hot take: “carbine cartridge” is just a dated name for intermediate cartridges. (And confusingly for magnum revolver cartridges able to be used by lever action “carbines”). In other words, a dated term, or an unhelpfully useless term.
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Which once again isn’t true unless you stretch the definition of PDW to its breaking point and past it making the term completely useless.
Which just means intermediate as I’ve explained but who cares? Right?
And thank you for contradicting yourself, either carbine means shorter version of a rifle, or it’s a different class altogether using a different ammo category from pistols, rifles, assault rifles and PDW’s… It can’t be both.
Jesus Christ I’m sick of this
Not really, just to point out that rifle cartridge category is quite broad.
There aint strict limitations as in intermediate cartridge or assault rifle category.
Which you obviously seem to still miss.
Carbine, nevertheless no matter how butthurt it makes you 100 years later.
Each one has “carbine” variation.
Here we have the good ol’ robert being butthurt about little details but willing to bend the details in favor of .30carbine or M2.
Talk about good old fashion burgeroid butthurt.
Dunno, the differency is when you are asking for .30 cal ammo are you getting ammo for carbine or garand.
Could be thats the only reason its separately named as .30 carbine.
Or PDW ? You can play the guessing game till the end of time.
Mm. no.
Well no, M1 carbine was invented for pretty same use. For rear echelon troops, transport units and what else that did not necessarily need a heavy, bulky M1 garand.
And before you mention paratroops, well they use PDW’s too modern days, depends alot of country and mission obviously.
Dunno, to me it seems just .30 carbine ? Fired from rifle, little bit odd ball, but considering how broad the rifle cartridge category is, it fits there just fine and was labeled as one.
Anyway, point still being the exact same. If this oddball .30 carbine rifle cartridge is due to tears of murricans a intermediate cartridge that kinda means the 6.5 arisaka also can be intermediate cartridge it even fits better in the category than .30carbine.
But according to you, 6.5 arisaka isnt intermediate because it was invented as rifle round, yet somehow you fail to acknowledge that .30 carbine wasnt either never labeled as intermediate.
Light rifle project → Light rifle cartridge yeah, seems to fit just fine in rifle cartridge category.
I dont make the rules, just pointed out that there indeed is very vast variety of carbines in many different cartridges available.
It definitely isnt a category specially for .30 carbine.
So no more silly arguments ?
.30 carbine after all is just rifle cartridge.
Well you’re obviously just trolling me, nobody can be this stupid. So why should I care?
I used to think that too, then I visited enlisted forums and god how wrong I was.