In WW2 the Beretta 38 had many different mag sizes. In enlisted we have the 20-round (BR 1) and the 40-round (BR III). I suggest we add the 30-round beretta 38 for BR II.
It would be unlocked in the Italian TT after the Beretta 38 in Rank I or in the German TT in a folder with the MP 40.
I would consider changing one or two of the already existing Berettas instead of adding a new one.
Germany has so many very simmilar low BR SMGs already in the TT.
This is for the Italian Sub TT.
No, I like the choices. I want access to 20, 30 and (for those that could) 50 round versions of all Thompson guns in the Allied tech tree, for example. We should get the same in terms of Berettas (20, 30 and 40 round mags).
Devs should just folder more guns with each other (imagine all 20, 30 and 40 round Berettas being foldered together according to mag size, that’d be convenient). Tech Tree bloat should never be a reason not to add a new weapon to the game…
Extremely unnecessary. There’s already so many of berettas in BR2/3. At least 3 seperate variants.
Now, at level 2, you already have 40 Beretta submachine guns. Why would you deliberately reduce the number to 30? What’s the point of that??
So you can have a M38A in BR II as well…?
When did options become a bad thing…
M38A will basically become Germanies Thompson.
I mean, logicly on the same weapon… If 20 rounds is BR I, and 40 rounds is BR III, why isn’t 30 rounds BR II…?
I don’t see why this couldn’t work out well… Same power level as a MP 40.
There was also a 10-round version
What’ll that be…? BR 0…?
Yes
That’s a little too much… Don’t think we need the 10-rounder…
I did a little digging.
I cannot say for sure, but 30 round mags might be post war.
So far I only seen one guy claim this and he didnt give any source.
Wartime Beretta magazines were only for 10, 20, 40 rounds.
They were standard for every Italian SMG (FNA B43, OG42 and 44, TZ45, Variara, Isotta Fraschini,…)
Post war was introduced the new LF57 and the new 30 rounds magazine, to avoid jamming problems. It was on the body of the old 40 rounds to use the same magazines holders.
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I dont really have time to confirm with a reliable source though.
I think back in days of moscow, when memeretta20 was introduced at sametime as ppsh41.
Someone posted article that mentioned 10? 20? Round mags were only used in prison guard / police duties and never issued to military.
Anyway, its lonk time ago so take this memory as sophisticated guess rather than 100% true.
correct, as far as I know.
Funny you mention that, since I was drafting up something for that.
But yes my god, so much foldering needs to be done.
Using the wiki as a source is not a good case especially the photo is from a store that sold beretta mags
I sadly couldn’t find any evidence of these magazines
Now you lost me…
Just… No…
This is apparently is a M38A from the Iola Museum of Montese, within its WW2 exhibit, with a explicitly stated 30 round magazine:
Rock Island lists a serial number 2794 Beretta M38/42, with a explicitly stated 30 round magazine:
Gun Jesus mentions that 20, 30 and 40 round magazines were made for the M38A in his video about the gun, though he gets a little bit grilled in the comments of the assosiated article, which does affirm that 30-rounders are post-war and that WW2 magazines only came in 10, 20 and 40 sizes.
I invite people to do their own research, but if I am allowed to speculate just a little:
I think that 30-round magazines did exist at the time and were in use.
They either were, but at least are today much rarer than known existing 20 and 40 round examples.
Externally almost identical to the 40 round versions, except for markings on the back and peep holes, which only went down and numbered to 30 on 30-round examples. These factors makes it hard to itentify magazine types from pictures, only physical inspection or detailed photos would reveal the type of magazine.
Many, if not most 30-round magazines around today were created post-war.
The combination of the above factors could be the exclamation for the confusion on the topic, which is understandable.
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And again, someone should probably look into this deeper, but here’s some summery of evidence I gathered in the span of an hour.
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Anyways, it’s late, I’m going to sleep.
