Well, I also remember you calling people who desert, abusers and breaking the TOS.
So, by definition of your, do you consider yourself a abuser and rule breaker?
Let’s not derail the thread any further. If you want to argure off-topic, take it to the PM system.
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Well, how about the devs? Do you think they are willing to actually do a big overhaul? I do think simply removing them would be sad, because Soviets did actually use armor quite a bit.
We know that the devs did some experiments not too long ago, like the Japanese Paratrooper squad with the gun shields, or the Japanese Rider squad which also has working armor.
Non the less, there really isnt much official communication about that topic I guess
One can criticise the game having too many deserters, while also deserting.
Does this automatically need to be hypocritical?
Like should I be reporting a bug, also abusing it usually will make it get fixed faster.
I use body armor despite me being the number one person complaining about it.
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It would be a blatant lie if someone came up and said they’ve never deserted a match. Everyone has done it at some point. I personally don’t see it as a fair argument in a debate, as often times it’s something a player can’t control and instead it’s the matchmaking system’s fault pulling a number on the player.
Back on topic, I personally don’t use the cuirasse in my Soviet lineups. Mainly for aesthetic reasons, as that’s the way all cosmetics should be for. A while ago someone said that that cosmetics for soldiers should have no advantage of armor, and I agree. No matter how small that percentage is, IMO.
Heh quite interesting that some ppl Say that most majority of users who complain abt the body armor are skill issue guys…
Maybe i need to show Clans wars to them (U45N as URRS and RGD as Germany)
URRS won 3 out 4 games i know players from both Clans and i can say that “Skill Issue” are the words that do not describe them so in equal conditions we can cleary see a winner
Oh yes I forgot THIS IS BEFORE THE AVS-AVT RECOIL BUFF… I can’t imagine what would happen if we give 20 rounds AVS-AVT to URRS…
So somehow the body armor makes u stronger
Just look at me hehe i’m Main URRS at the moment and i enjoy eating more bullets with no problem oh yes… My new Uragan SMG is literally a pocket sniper aswell
Quite interesting that i consider myself a “not to good player” but for some reason the stalinium gives me Powers or smt
But well that doesnt means that whenever i use a booster i got a hard Game or a literal stomp (magical stuff 
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In clan battles all players have body armor, but in regular matches there are few body armors.
By the way I never use them, I’m not one of those hypocrites who complains about something and uses it! I complain about KT and use Tiger E instead, and i never touch body armor either.
It says nothing about balance on a live server.
We recently played BR5 Germans. And each time we ran into the EVA clan. They lost. And it didn’t seem to matter that they had much better KD.
The average skill of Soviet teams on the live server is so crappy that it’s extremely hard to counter balance it. 
And I certainly hope we never get to the point where the game is balanced based on how individual weapons or factions perform in a closed clan environment.
If you counter balance skill issues - you are making the game unbalanced, because balance means that the better team wins - and nothing else.
The argument that armor doesn’t matter because players are bad is completely irrelevant.
Bad players with BR5 gear will win against bad players with BR1 gear. Good players with BR5 gear will win against good players with BR1 gear.
Just because I can beat most players in BR5 even with low BR guns doesn’t mean I should be forced to do so.
Playing better should make you win. And if the enemy wins because he has better gear, then the game is unbalanced and not worth playing.
Well, it doesn’t matter. Because the game will be unbalanced either way.
But at least you’re not getting the steam roll kind of matches. If you are trying to counter balance skill issues.
The suggestion is about removing the effects of body armour, not to remove the cosmetic options themselves.
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Well I know - and most certainly its the easiest solution, but I do believe even if it requires work, a rework would be worth the effort.
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Agreed.
I would not mind body armour if they actually functioned realisticly, as in they only protect areas covered by the plates (as in only from the front), and only against shrapnel and pistol caliber shots that are not point blank range. Could even apply a increased stamina drain when sprinting, so that it’s not only a straight upgrade.
But yeah, in lieu of such a rework, I’d rather they just remove the effects in the meantime. Soviet soldiers being saved from semi-auto rifle fire or assault rifles is simply dumb…
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You are just deregulating the system.
If team A is loosing, they get buff after buff. And at one point meta slaves, victory farmers or simply competent players will realise this and switch to this team. This will cause nerfs to team A and buffs to team B. And then situation switches and the whole thing repeats.
Artificial overbuffing leads to nowhere.
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the answer is in from of us balance all the gear and equipment of the game and the skill issue players will get rid of the game or actually learn to play it
it would affect the game numbers at the beggining? yes but on a few months or around a year the game will have decent players on each side with no OP/superior weapons needed that in hands of actual skilled players will feel that something is wrong
There’s no need to make everything to feel play literally the same just for the sake of balance on data sheets.
This game will never be balanced. And definitely not because of equipment imbalance. Deal with it however you want.
Except ofc if its soviets, faust, ak47 and so on.
yes it can be but the community dont supports this idea cuz they want overpowered stuff cuz yes…
balance on live server is mostly affected by playerbase and not by equipment balance. equipment balance is best shown when you have 2 teams of equally same skill fighting(in this case clans). idk if those clans are similarly skilled or if one is better than the other so i wont be commenting on this.
like i said numerous times before, either they need to remove effect of cosmetics on gameplay or they need to introduce body armor as equipment for all nations. weapon balance should then be balanced their on merits and demerits(e.g. giving avt 20 rounds to be in line with fg42 and t20).
also body armor affects not only BR5 battles, but all other BR. just cause playerbase balance might not favor certain faction at the time, doesnt mean they need special equipment buffs. playerbase faction preference can be changed at any time, while equipment balance may not.
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That’s why I said this:
Body armors is extremely overrated problem. It’s simply impossible to achieve perfect balance on low BRs no matter how hard you try.
Why? Because the obvious reasons I have stated 
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And I didn’t even mentioned perks.
Body armors have very little to zero impact on the game. It’s just flavour.
But some people behave like enlisted is super balanced eSport ready game or so.
And thanks to those people we simply can’t have any flavour in the game.
Everything has to feel exactly the same. Because only that’s good enough balance.
It’s so annoying. Never ending story.
We should just abolish faction specific teams. That’s how you gonna achieve perfect balance. if that’s what you truly want.
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