Paratroopers exploit the game

[SheepleRnutz]

@AdRock2621

All I’m getting from this is that you just hate this game. So I don’t know why you’re still on said game’s forum.

If I hated the game, why would I have over 3,000 completed matches?
Are you familiar with constructive criticism?

Perhaps I care about the game, and am concerned about the direction it’s been going? And also the lack of oversight, when it comes to keeping the game in alignment with it’s original description in the game-store.

Perhaps over the course of 3,000 matches, the game has gone from fun, to boring as fuck…
And why is it boring? Well, I’ve already covered the issues.

Perhaps I care about the players who have spent money on this game (in one way or another), and I am concerned that EVERYBODY is not being given a quality product.

Only a sub-par product, due to a combination of laziness, greed for money, and/or incompetency by the decision-makers within the company.

Should people defend the players? To argue and try and get everybody what they are actually asking for… or should we defend the gaming companies whenever they release content, that serves nobody except those willing to fork out some cash?

Perhaps there’s so many things that could be done to enhance the gaming experience for EVERYBODY… but they choose NONE. Instead, we’re getting bells and whistles, and I’m sincerely concerned with the future of this game. Soley because it’s the customers/players who will LOSE EVERYTHING, if nobody ever held accountable.

If the company makes too many mistakes, and realizes that the game is no longer profitable (at their desired rate), they’ll abandon their projects, and create something BRAND NEW.

They;ll use all the money from this game, and use it to develop/market/advertise the NEXT GAME.

The paratroopers have simply been an addition that is only decreasing the quality of the matches. (But not for the players who spent the money. For them, paratroopers are awesome).

@AdRock2621

Empty matches are a problem, one that you actually should have devoted this much energy in a forum post to. It’s because of the split queue system, not overall player count, which if it wasn’t going to be fixed, would kill the game. But it will. So… still not a point.

@AdRock2621

@SheepleRnutz

I don’t need analytics when I can simply play the game and assess the direction it’s going.

You do, though. That’s a subjective assessment.

Give me some time, and I’ll show you even evidence from my xbox

@AdRock2621

I like how you’re accusing me of confirmation bias when you’re doing that exact same thing.

Not really. I simply referred to the stats available.

You can’t say things like

@AdRock2621

You’re killing your own arguments.

@AdRock2621

I refuse to believe that not a single player in your team managed to spot an entire squad landing on top of them.

@AdRock2621

If your post was about this, people would have actually agreed with you, myself included.

@AdRock2621

you should have been matched with players who can look up.

@AdRock2621

But that’s not that case. You’ve gone off the rails intermittently calling paratroopers an exploit, P2W, and unrealistic. You’ve also been debunked multiple times.

@AdRock2621

Here we go again. We’ve explained this to you enough.

So it appears you’re trying to tell me what to do, and that nobody agrees with me. While at the same time, justfying everything about the paratroopers as being valid, and in same breath, you’re disregarding all of my concerns, examples, and arguments.

Hmmm…

I see you bro.

[CaptainSebekel]

Who are you talking to?

[ForlorN]

Yeah, don’t waste your time on Sheeple.

He’s maybe trolling.

Notoriously shit-posting in any case.

[SheepleRnutz]

Couldn’t help yourself, could you Forlorn?

The guy who said :

@Forlorn_Squad

I’m the one who spends time reading and engaging on this forum.

I’m the one who spends money on this game

I’m the one who spends money because I want to support the developers of this game.

I’m the one who complains about all the choices made by the developers of this game.

I’m the one who complains because I care about this game.

Regardless of how upset and disappointed, I am, I’m probably the one who still will continue play this game tomorrow.

In the end, I’m the useful idiot that will make this game live further by all my highly contested opinions/actions that turn out to be non-deliberate and counterproductive feeding this Leviathan.

I feel like a sheep atm.

Your say in the matter, is irrelevant. You already established why you’re here

“The one, who offers highly contested opinions/actions, that turn out to be non-deliberate and counterproductive feeding this Levathian.”

[ForlorN]

I would say that quote refers to a lot of us playing this game(maybe even you).

HOWEVER. This post is 3 months old and I think we have been seeing a lot of good and promising things in this game lately.
The future looks very bright and I believe this year will be huge for Enlisted.

[SKWID22]

That is true. The game is still in beta and TONS of things could change.

[AdRock2621]

Just give it a rest

No I’m not telling you do anything because that’s not something I control. You’ve been proven wrong that paratroopers are an exploit That’s all.

I just don’t understand why you’re being so angry and vindictive, bashing this game, calling it boring, obsolete and dead, saying you’re gonna quit, and then turn around and and say you care. That’s not how constructive criticism works. Part of constructive criticism is having solutions, which you don’t. You kinda brought up some, like spawn times, but most of your post is just complaining and bashing.

You could have brought up issues like spawn times and given realistic solutions and had an actual reasonable discussion. Same thing with developer greed. But that’s not what happened. You’ve just been getting needlessly hostile at anyone who counters you. That’s not constructive.

You lost a game because a paratrooper squad used their resources and bested your team, through means that could have been achieved without the squad, and your team failed to anticipate and counterattack. That’s what happened.

@SheepleRnutz

you’re disregarding all of my concerns, examples, and arguments.

Yes. Because you have one, one bad match as an example. That’s not enough to identify a problem or form an argument. Hundreds of matches are played per hour. You’re gonna need more evidence than that. And I mean a lot more.

Take a look at Quadro, one of the top Enlisted CCs. He criticizes Enlisted frequently but always offers concrete, realistic solutions. And rarely is he hostile. He is also a big proponent of paratroopers and made a great video about why they are good for the game.

You can choose whether to play the game or not. You can. But for the fifth damn time, paratroopers aren’t going anywhere. Bombing runs are still here even though they’re universally hated. It’s just not happening. There’s no point in getting this mad over things that are completely out of your control.

I don’t really care though. I enjoy this game. I enjoy paratroopers. There’s other problems that affect all players in all campaigns. So I’m gonna do what you clearly can’t: accept defeat. I was not able to show you that paratroopers are just fine, and if balance is your concern, then you have much bigger problems to worry about.

Don’t bother responding, I doubt you’re even listening. But hopefully someone sees this and doesn’t make the same mistake you did.

[SheepleRnutz]

@AdRock2621

You’ve been proven wrong that paratroopers are an exploit That’s all.

You haven’t proven anything. All you have done is stated your position/opinion on the matter.

And no worries, after this message, I’m not going to give you anymore of my time. It’s apparent you want to TELL ME HOW IT IS, even though you have done nothing to change my mind (regarding paratroopers being an exploit)

@AdRock2621

You lost a game because a paratrooper squad used their resources and bested your team, through means that could have been achieved without the squad, and your team failed to anticipate and counterattack. That’s what happened.

This is hilarious. You weren’t even playing in the match, and I was…
Yet, you’re telling me how the game went (all based off scenarios that you’re literally making up, and then implying that we could have simply killed the paratrooper squad.)
You. Weren’t. There.
And you’re telling me how it went, while ignoring the facts (from the person who played the match, and observed the paratrooper exploit with my own eyes)

There’s no sense wasting my time talking to you. because you’re living in a fantasy world.
Stop gaslighting me with your bullshit.

@AdRock2621

But for the fifth damn time, paratroopers aren’t going anywhere.

Obviously they aren’t going anywhere. It’s too late. People have already spent their money. There’s no refunds, and now the game is forever plagued with elite squads that can appear anywhere on the map.

Hey look, it’s Berlin event, and I was the only human player on my team. Wahoo! Nine A.I. teammates!

Hey look, it’s Tunisia, and it’s also another empty match. Good thing the A.I. is there to auto-fill all the empty seats.

4 human players vs 3 human players! (So much fun!)

How many A.I. do you count on the scorecard?

Quitters, A.I. Squads, and new players. (match ended in 15 minutes)

You’re in no position to tell me anything. I trust my own experiences much more than a random person on the internet, who is defending his $60 investment.

(Also, your account is only 3 days old. So I’m just guessing you’re somebody I’ve spoken to before. Just hiding behind a different name, while attempting to gaslight me and tell me how it is.

I see you

[SheepleRnutz]

I’ve never called myself a useful idiot, nor a sheep. Nor am I here to feed the Leviathan.

If you’ve noticed… my handle says sheeple are nuts (SheepleRnutz).

But anyways…

@Forlorn_Squad

I think we have been seeing a lot of good and promising things in this game lately.
The future looks very bright and I believe this year will be huge for Enlisted.

Time will tell. It would be great to see the game prosper, and excel. I’m not discrediting the devlopers/moderators/helpers who have all put in a lot of hard work. But still… the issues remain the same, and only thing that keeps this game going is the money generated from the playerbase.

If too many people leave (or at the least, stop spending money), and all you have left are the loyal veteran players, and Free-2-play players… then there won’t be enough of an income to support all of the expenses involved with keeping the game operational.

If enough people give up on the broken matches/empty matches/stacked matches, and the income does not meet the goals of the people who own the company, the owners will kill the game whether you like it, or not. They’ll use the money for new projects.

[AdRock2621]

@SheepleRnutz

And no worries, after this message, I’m not going to give you anymore of my time.

Yeah I doubt that, considering I said:

@AdRock2621

Don’t bother responding

And then you gave me this. Honestly, I’m enjoying this now. This however, will be my last post. Messing with some of the Axis mains like you is fun an all, but it has to stop at some point. Here we go.

@SheepleRnutz

You haven’t proven anything. All you have done is stated your position/opinion on the matter.

I have, you just won’t listen. Not my problem.

@SheepleRnutz

It’s apparent you want to TELL ME HOW IT IS,

Kinda, yeah. I explained to you exactly why paratroopers aren’t an exploit. And you got upset because it contradicted your personal experience.

@SheepleRnutz

You weren’t even playing in the match, and I was…

No, I don’t need to. I’m not going to repeat myself.

@SheepleRnutz

all based off scenarios that you’re literally making up

Yes, I’m explaining what should have happened. You provided video clips. We can see what happened.

@SheepleRnutz

And you’re telling me how it went, while ignoring the facts

Lack of situational awareness. And you don’t need paratrooper squads to clear a point.

@SheepleRnutz

There’s no sense wasting my time talking to you.

Yeah. There’s no reason why this forum post even exists.

@SheepleRnutz

Stop gaslighting me with your bullshit.

This isn’t the flex you think it is.

@SheepleRnutz

Obviously they aren’t going anywhere.

Congratulations, you’ve accepted reality. My work here is done.

@SheepleRnutz

Hey look, it’s Berlin event, and I was the only human player on my team. Wahoo!

Uhh… still a completely different issue? Weren’t you telling me to stay on topic?

@SheepleRnutz

You’re in no position to tell me anything.

Yeah… but if you make a laughable forum post complaining about a loss in a battle, just expect to be ridiculed.

@SheepleRnutz

I trust my own experiences much more than a random person on the internet

If that’s true, then yet another reason this forum post shouldn’t exist. Also, correction: experience. As in singular.

@SheepleRnutz

who is defending his $60 investment.

I mean I guess? Still not the flex you think it is. They haven’t provided me with any significant advantage, they’re just crazy fun to use. In fact, I tried your roof landing on Steel Mill and spoiler alert: half my squad was dead before touching the roof, and the rest were picked off by snipers. Since 1 game is enough to prove a point apparently.

The P-47 is still better if all I want to do is clear points.

@SheepleRnutz

Also, your account is only 3 days old. So I’m just guessing you’re somebody

Umm… ok? I mean I get you’re out of arguments and just want to get personal, but that was a really half-assed attempt.

Your options are to either find a way to live with paratroopers or quit. It’s not in your control nor is it in mine. There was no reason for all that. You could have devoted your time to an issue that actually affects all players, identified problems and solutions, and had a reasonable conversation. But… yeah.

Thanks for the entertainment though. It’s fun watching some of you Axis mains squirm when the game shifts and you lose your competitive edge. You’ve forgotten what it’s like to really get stomped, so when you actually do, it hurts. And then stuff like this happens.

[SheepleRnutz]

@126706576 Enjoy your exploit

[Myrm1don]

@Wittmann_02

Fort Eben Emael

I love the Paras, Pretty much pulled a Eben Emael on D-Day last night. Our team was not doing well, they were pushed back to the grey along the whole frontline by a Super aggressive counter attack Defending team (much better aggression wise).

So While everyone was getting grinded down, It was pretty funny to just drop in behind to an uncontested cap (maybe 1 squad on point using the mg emplacements). and because it was bunkers, Good luck getting back inside once you got 100 round Thompsons inside.

ended up doing this 4 times to win the game. Enemy team didn’t adapt, kept wave attacking (abusing unlimited respawns) pushing to the grey (which usually spells gg until paras were added). As an old Heroes and Generals Fallschirmjager player I am very happy. Adds a new dynamic that needs to be accounted for.

[SheepleRnutz]

Sounds like a great opportunity for the losing team to exploit the game. Just like my match from OP.

An elite squad from Special Forces, was flown into the middle of an open battlefield, and dropped off by a very brave pilot. Whom of which, if we’re allowing any room to compare reality from fantasyland, the pilot would have accepted a suicide mission.

Because in the 1940’s… if a solo C-47 attempted to hot-drop a single squad of soldiers, into the middle of an open battlefield (in broad daylight)… Wherever they deployed from, they probably wouldn’t survive long enough to get even close to the battlefield.

Imagine the germans in Normandy WW2, and you see a single C-47 flying at a low altitude…
The miltary radio’s would be chattering away, and the plane would be blasted out of the sky before they even had a chance to deploy near the objective (A single MG42 would’ve done the job. But they’d probably just use a Flak gun)

Also, there would literally be hundreds or thousands of soldiers in the area… All of which have guns to shoot at the solo C-47
(Not 10 humans and a battlefield of scripted robots)

(Also, the C-47 would have to travel from an airfield, and fly across contested/enemy territory. How many miles, I wonder? 30 miles? 50 miles? 100 miles? All by their lonesome? Without getting shot down, before they arrived to the objective (in the middle of an active battle).

Why do you think the paratroopers were deployed in mass?

Good thing the paratroopers in Enlisted, are entirely based from fantasyland. Other than the fact that these soldiers use parachutes, jump from aircraft, and are wearing paratrooper uniforms… they’re being utilized in an entirely fictional way. Of which, the majority of the situations would be impossible for anybody to accomplish.

This is the type of mechanic/implementation that you’d expect in a Vietnam game (with transport helicopters), or modern warfare (with precision parachutes, and high-altitude para-drops from C-17’s or aircraft similar).

But not here…
For $60, players can exploit the tactic as you described above, and take what sounded like a guaranteed loss… into a guaranteed victory.

@Myrm1don

ended up doing this 4 times to win the game.

@Myrm1don

Enemy team didn’t adapt, kept wave attacking (abusing unlimited respawns)

Can you attach a scorecard? It’s be nice to know the skill level of both rosters that you were playing with/against. As well as the A.I. composition.

[Myrm1don]

Sorry mate, I wasn’t here to argue any point, I just think they are fun.

haha well, strictly speaking. I would have got slaughtered if they looked up, or took into account I was going to do it again. I mean, no skill needed to cap an empty point . But no, they were quite content to be anywhere else but.

I think the general Idea of what paratroopers are for used for exists. get behind enemy lines and disrupt, and take and hold key positions from behind where they are weakest. And with 10 players a side, proportion based, 1 or 2 guys is en masse.

I can look through the replays when I get home and find it if you like. But like I said I was only stating it was fun, not here for or against your position, just indifferent for now.

That is until 10 players have multiple paras in their decks and start wave spawning on caps at the same time and overwhelming the current cap mechanic, I can see that happening down the line if they dont hard cap paras at one squad in a players deck (or cooldown between transport planes)

[SheepleRnutz]

Sounds good man. Thanks for the clarification. Nor am I trying to steal your thunder/fun. My apologies if my message appeared argumentative.

[SGK_2017]

@SheepleRnutz , How about you join Darkflow and help them solve the problem together.

Just get a job in Darkflow, stop being fed by your family members.

It would be great if you can solve the problem while getting a job in darkflow.

[SheepleRnutz]

Other side of the world, my dude.

[DrCatsville]

I really think that this topic should be closed by now, because all i can see is whining, paras are not imbalanced, i played paras in a pacific, sometimes i can go and build rally point, sometimes my dropped box is getting rage of bullets, WP and molotovs, this guy couldn’t get enough situatinal awarenes to shot paras down. Also them winning a game, so you manage to lost other 4 objectives and now another one lost objective when paras came, made you rage, i managed to clean the point sometimes not by paras but by assaulters, so NerF them too?)

This guy can not get enough copium that he is just so bad at game, i bet you have never seen paras in a game like H&G. Paras there is some sort like paras here, can they clean one point by themselves? yes, can they capture point from a roof? yes. (I mean roof capture shouldn’t be allowed, like that church point in a pacific)

Enlisted was about something historical but now (as you should have guessed) its not, i mean it’s nice to see some historical things but this game is more arcady, also how many games let us play as paras.

[SheepleRnutz]

It’s so interesting how three days in a row, I’ve been trolled by people who have new accounts on this forum. You guys too scared to talk to me from your original handles, or what?

Get lost.

[SKWID22]

Just chill dude. Clearly you lost the other points to the enemy and then you lost the last point due to the ingenuity of a squad dropping on top of your cap. Life is not still and you have to adapt to it.