Motorcycle squad need a rework

[rrangwoo]

The motorcycle squad at status quo is very underwhelming and underperforming.
Which explains why we nearly never see anyone using motorcycle squad in game.
Thus I suggest few changes to improve the motorcycle squad.

1. Decrease experience requirement to level up.
   The motorcycle squad right now has a insanely high exp., almost that of end tier squads like assaulter 4.
   De plus, motorcycle squad only has 2 crews and you cannot get more,
   whilst regular squad starts with 4 and upgrade to have more soldiers.
   Therefore less soldier + high exp. requirement make motorcycle squad very arduous and long to level up.

2. Improve driving stability
   This actually applies to not just motorcycle but all ground vehicules.
   All vehicules in Enlisted doesn’t feel any of its weight.
   And this tend to appear more on motorcycle.
   There were so many times my motorcycle flipped due to the smallest stone.
   Sometimes it suddenly loose its speed when it touches the slightly an object.
   It also weirdly skid, direction control is also weird and in general the motorcycle is just very wonky to drive.

3. Give it the third crew
   It clearly has the third seat behind driver.
   If I recall correctly the premium motorcycle squad for Tunisia campaign early access have 3 crews.
   Why not regular TT version with 3 crews.
   2 crews is absolutely abysmal and cannot do anything.

4. Give it special ability
   The motorcycle squad lacks any special ability.
   It doesn’t have spawn ability like apc
   It doesn’t have breakthrough or firepower as tank
   It doesn’t have outnumbering infantry or special firearm like infantry
   The only special ability the motorcycle squad has right now is its speed.
   Yes it does have mg, but mg squad can have 3 mg + more whilst motorcycle have 1 mg attached to motorcycle which have limited angle
   And even the speed is not much faster than regular infantry who can spawn from apc/rally point in terms of time it takes to reach the front.
   Thus the motorcycle should be able to spawn from infantry spawn point (though not the rally/apc)

And historically, motorcycle was used a lot for reconnaissance,
so it should have some gimmick related to reconnaissance.
Or if the map was bit bigger it would see some usefulness
but in Enlisted map where all infantry, vehicule and guns are cramped in small map does not help any for motorcycle.

Plus, why japan and soviet do not have motorcycle?

Japan can get Type 97 motorcycle “Rikuo” (copy of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle)

Soviet can get M-72 motorcycle (copy of german R71)

Additionally, motorcycle can carry more than just mg.
Here’s some idea:

soviet M-72 with M1937 82mm mortar

Hungarian R75 with Solothurn on it

Soviet equivalent with PTRS

Many motorcycles are used for supply transport, so we can have motorcycle with trailer behind that can be used as ammo box + heal box

There’s R75 with mg42 instead of mg34

what seems like zb-26 with extended magazine

Polish motorcycle with polish copied m1917 for anti-air

another aa gun on motorcycle

M72 with flame thrower

there’s many armament more than just mg so it’d be cool to have them.

Lastly, motorcycle squad should also get light vehicles/light armoured vehicles.
light vehicles such as Jeep, Kübelwagen, or Kettenkraftrad
tankette such as L3/33, TKS, T-20 Komsomolets or Carden-Loyd Carrier
Those are too light to give to tank squad and motorcycle squad is perfect to host them

[Naohmcete]

Possible Biker Rework Concept

I know that some will be upset by the idea, but it could give a bit of quality to the class that has been relegated to the background due to a series of circumstances: First of all I want to give a change in the cost of tickets for the squad, since the base version only has two members in the team and in the premium 3, deploying them should cost a little less than it currently costs… Secondly, I suggest adding the reticle that is applied to anti-aircraft weapons as I suggested in this post …

Biker Driver AI Change

Currently, the biker squadron pilot remains holding on to the handlebars even when stopped, I feel that it would be logical that in case he was stopped, the pilot would act as a passenger in a vehicle and could shoot supporting the one in the sidecar with the machine gun when he is still, perhaps giving the pilot a little more survival, I put a photo for context [rikusentai-troop-1937-38]

New Rider class : Jeep

[Battle_of_Khalkhin_Gol-Captured_Type_95_scout_car] [7dfc2e2766ac2024899f3b58d2bd41277abac86e] [10370698t] [42097_55] [pcherepanov-kurogane-3] [pcherepanov-kurogane-2] Chris Bishop (Ed.), The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II , MetroBooks, 1998 (book from where I get the info about the spec of the vehicle) and here is the toy I mean For Japan dudes: Kurogane Type 95, 2 to 3 passengers inside the vehicle, although it is not armed, investigating around the vehicle in question was use…

Once Again Japan Motorbikes for Pacific

from my two previous posts about Japan, I continue with another post for Japan, I won’t get tired of asking for it for Japan and for the Soviets too, but not being an expert on Soviets, I won’t focus on them. Today I’m here to talk about at least two possible motorcycles to add to the Pacific campaign, one being premium and the other tech tree Rykou Type 97: it was a copy of a Harley-Davidson,let’s be honest about they used the license who they adquire it and worked between 1935–1945 and here…

Adding my own concepts for help this post <3

[Kriegerfaust007]

At least give the driver a fixed gun

[Naohmcete]

or make it do like an apc when he is not moving or if he do make it him be not acurate, I show in my post how do also another

[Kriegerfaust007]

[Suzumebachi14]

I think a rework of this class is planned in the roadmap.

[S-G-44]

You can actually use them as pocket MG nests if You didint know : ) just look for a good place and have fun

Buff is not needed if You actually do this trick : )

[Kriegerfaust007]

and if you are a p2p lord with around 12 squad slots and not 4 f2p peasant

[JackofSpaidz]

@rrangwoo

Decrease experience requirement to level up.
The motorcycle squad right now has a insanely high exp., almost that of end tier squads like assaulter 4.

This is a wider issue affecting many squads in the game since the merge, doesn’t seem like devs care since it’s a simple fix to change xp requirements and it’s been a year with no change

[rrangwoo]

Yes you CAN use motorcycle as a mg nest but it has no advantage over regular mg squad.
mg squad is more flexible, more viable, more numerous and more utile compared to motorcycle.
And if the motorcycle was really that useful why i NEVER see anyone using motorcycle in battle.

[rrangwoo]

@Naohmcete

or make it do like an apc when he is not moving or if he do make it him be not acurate,

I also did think motorcycle working as apc, but then there would be no reason to use apc, since motorcycle is objectively better than apc.
So I want to differenciate apc and motorcycle.
apc squad can get bigger heavier vehicles with spawn ability
whilst motorcycle squad get more smaller lighter vehicles that can be used in frontline

[GeneralBrus]

@rrangwoo

Give it the third crew
It clearly has the third seat behind driver.
If I recall correctly the premium motorcycle squad for Tunisia campaign early access have 3 crews.
Why not regular TT version with 3 crews.
2 crews is absolutely abysmal and cannot do anything.

Oh true

[Naohmcete]

I mean driver should shoot like he iz on apc

[GeneralBrus]

Why dont we turn those motorcycles into mobile rallies just like apcs, just with the addition of making radio sounds and units not spawning literally inside of it.

[BandytaJeden]

Great ideas, can’t wait to see all those cool bikes in 40$ premium squads while we get 1man bicycle squads in tech tree

[StrAnGe_ReD_FoX]

I made a topic on the RU forum.

Добавить специалистов в прем мотоциклистов. И предложение по улучшению...

in short, make the premium squads have a tank squad mechanic so that you can change specialists.

like the APC

Another proposal is to expand the squads to 6 people and issue a second motorcycle for bot control.

[rrangwoo]

Ah i see i missread

[StrAnGe_ReD_FoX]

@rrangwoo

Give it special ability

@rrangwoo

is its speed.

I think that their ability should be speed.
expand squads to 6 people.
and motorcycle seats to 3.
give a second motorcycle to the squad. (if the WLA has 2 seats, give them 3 motorcycles)
teach bots to drive the second motorcycle.
we will get a mobile motorized squad of 6 people.
this will move quickly around the map.

[rrangwoo]

Considering the ai in this game is not the smartest one,
I doubt the ai driven motorcycle won’t flip in 5 second after they start moving.
And the motorcycle is very wonky to drive so it is very hard to utilise that speed

But it is also un interesting idea

[Kriegerfaust007]

@GeneralBrus

Why dont we turn those motorcycles into mobile rallies just like apcs

Then we can add tanks that can fly or planes that land and fight