we must pin it up
actually we only made it once, you are the ones who forced us to repeat it and now lol
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Quite sure your âgroupsâ opinions has been read and as well disregarded by now.
So unless you can actually prove that going to HA direction the barendds warhammer nerds comes and brings millions OR every each one of who bought the HLL / PS switches to this game you dont really have anything but shitpost.
So quite pointless to âPin it upâ
You may check from barendds profile in how many topics this exact same shit has been deald with.
If that actually intrests you.
I mean, pin your ridiculious reply up
nothing is a suggestion once someone dont like it! oh my gosh you angel really made my day.
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Suggestion is when you actually provide something remotely intellectual, rather than âHeY guYS lets DO HA game. warhammer nerds with 35 bucks minions will surely pay for it thenâ
Well either way, weâre not picky so let it be âsuggestionâ
Shitposting it becomes once its done frequently at expecting any different results.
who did that?
You may read the topic.
if its like that, I do agree
but for what Ive seen so far we all have reasons and details at least while we are not attacking each other
I am always reading. it seems you put out the view like
HeY guYS lets DO ARCADE game. BF and COD players will surely pay for it thenâ
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so after they posted the news, only 85 people came to forum and liked the post. i one week of datamining i captured 300,000 unique players that have played at least one battle.
even if there is 10x more people you wouldnt even get 1% of players.
so either majority of players loves the changes or they dont care either way.
wont check the forum. thats right.
we all dont know their minds tho
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this is something that has lasted for months, not just this topic.
there are people who want more human players in matches and more balanced weapons â cause this is game multiplayer game and not single or coop game
and there are players who want HA even if it means game becoming PVE
there was not a single player that provided even remotely useful suggestion that would fix problems in game while âkeeping current HAâ.
even made this topic
and to quote myself
were there suggestions? yes.
were they good? no. simply most had some critical flaw. people insisted that it is possible, but couldnt even remotely provide framework on how it is possible. asked for basic algorithm and napkin math about estimation of playerbase needed for that algorithm. nobody provided anything remotely useful. people have their demands and they want it no matter how they get it.
i agree that they wont check forum. but you know when they check it? when they are pissed about something. there were few players who joined forum for first time they heard the news. if you check likes on that post above, you will see mostly players who dont participate on forum or were freshly joined.
so overall majority of players either likes it or simply doesnt care. there would be bigger backlash if this was majorly unpopular move.
btw latest suggestion on how to keep HA
look at latest âHAâ suggestion. this would make so many hard rules that you would get thousands of queues every few minutes. in a game that has problem with 6 queues. not to mention matches wouldnt be HA.
yeah, I was excited about the merge and be optimistic with the soft rule untill I see this broken sheet.
we did achieved somekind of agreement before, I leave comments again because I saw the thing is gonna to mess up again.
thatâs the right way to think. it shows respect even if you dont agree with someone
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you are taking things out of context
the suggestion was based outside of HA, not within HA, because that is what you asked for
You are the one who said it would be HA to have BA throught the entire war, and I agree, but then you support the BR system that segregates things such as BA since there will be far less BA use in the new BR system at the high tier than there is now in the current game, and that will be the fault of the BR system, and you donât seem to care about that
also the queue is not a problem now
nor would it be with more choices given to the players
players would just end up in the matches they want
opposed to the BR system choosing to put them in places they donât want to be with BR tiers they donât agree with
if they are prepared to break the entire game for this BR system, then at least do it properly and give players the choices and control of what matches they go into
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Did I offend you or something with that? Itâs been hours and you keep bringing it up, lol
i am not showing respect to people who dont show exact solution to HA problem after months of discussion that are still whining about HA even after devs announced soft HA rule. it is ok if they ask devs how exactly they plan on to implement it and if the solution is bad then they raise shit on forum, but they are not doing that. they are whining about how new update will destroy the game, that BR is shit cause in WT is shit (btw in WoWs it was great), that we need to keep HA at all costs (i guess by that they mean campaigns and seal clubbing).
it seems that sarcasm doesnt translate well in forum⊠i was just making analogous requests to what you were making with i hate flamethrowers reference. if there is game balance problem, devs then need to fix that. it happened many times before (just look at explosion pack and WP).
yes BA were throughout the war. but you know what is the problem with it? cause squads were equipped with 8-9 BA, 1 machine gunner with LMG and assistant gunner that had pistol and one squad commander with smg/AR. when this game started having imaginary squads equipped with 4 stg44/fedorovand rest of the squad equipped with fg42/avs/m2, then game stops being HA and is just another shooter. and cause we dont have HA anymore, then why dont we have game balance?
idk how you justify that queue is not a problem now. bots fill 30% of match without deserters (deserters make only 10% of total for grand total of 40% in crossplay on). not to mention empty queues on some campaigns and playerbase disparity between sides that reaches 2:1 in some campaigns.
i agree that there needs to be some kind of map/mode selection. uptiering is not a big problem as long as it is kept in certain range. still ±MM is better than unrestricted seal clubbing we have now.
and i agree with that. just that they cant implement this as a hard rule, but they can implement this as soft veto rule. you simply choose modes/maps that you dont want to play, then when 20 players are matched MM removes most hated maps/modes and chooses one map from least hated maps. will it still happen that you get map that you dont want? yes, but at least majority of players will want to play that map.
No, it was actually your best suggestion.
i gotta say one thing.
kinda unrelated, but at the same time not.
from what everyone can gather, you donât know what you are talking about.
i mean, you kinda do, because i do agree that there arenât many people for HA and the solutions that have been proposed are arguable or vagues at best.
like, i do agree that HA is a bit of a hole in the water for the moment being, and should come with a proper solution rather than different ideas.
yet you refuse to understand why there has been so many ideas, and the reason why some look disconnected to others despite claiming the same principle.
like, you donât even try to understand why those have been made in the first place.
because let me tell you, the reason why so many HA looks disconnected, itâs because people tries with their own idea every time.
and at no point people can brainstorm or gather their own idea because of people like you just shitting on any idea giving either no solutions or thinking at all. just there to say " no it wont work " and stuff like that.
which itâs fair enough, but i find it odd that you attack everyone else who thinks differently. as correct me if iâm wrong, but you started the conversation to begin with.
on the other hand, i do agree with you that people arenât really connected and most of the times gives half baked suggestions for it.
and for the last time, telling others to go to customs is barely a suggestion nor helpful at all.
you donât exactely know how customs works. and you have proven multiple times that you donât know how customs works just to hide behind your pity exscuse of " not my problem, hence i donât care ".
that quite doesnât work like that. because you are just aiding their quest in doing the opposite and argue even more.
beside, doesnât feel like really genuine.
as i would like to remind you that customs are half baked. and you seems to not have the precise idea on how messed up customs are.
sure, you can counter argue with the numbers âissueâ but as much you canât prove your numbers and i canât prove âââminesâ"". itâs just a pointless bickery.
youâre not actually interested in improving the situations. youâre just brining fire to the already burning situation.
which iâm not entirely sure why you suggest things that both donât work, nor have a clue how those in reality works.
donât get me wrong, iâm of the same idea of having to bring results and actually do something in backing up own arguments.
for example gather a large playerbase with significant numbets to even remotely prove a point. same goes for my pves.
but at the same time, youâre not helping.
you think you do, but you arenât.
so, for the love of god, stop throwing customs buzzword just for the same of " argument " ( which it ainât one in the first place because of how flawed it is )
because for the last time, customs do not allow you to have historical games.
granted, with the new welcoming changes you might, but you will definitely end up being stucked having to switch lobbies, having to wait 60 seconds each time, make sure you have the right equipment and what not.
which itâs why people asked for a " realism " second matchmaker similar to war thunder.
as much as i agree with you in certain areas and points, youâre not really putting your self in the opposition and truly think of a solution to end their points and put an end to this very problem.
and i hope to conclude with this pointless HA thread going on,
@Barendd1974 @san1tater @Zepuoj
as much i agree more or less with you guys, Uncle T is right on one thing ( actually, a couple ).
you canât really expect HA to totally work because of balance, while having different ideas no clear objective beside " HA wonder " nor " many people " despite no concrete evidences.
i do respect it, as iâm all for making enlisted a better place for majority of the people, it would be the right time to create an HA thread of itâs own, work from the beginning, find some people that agrees and above all, pull some numbers with the tools that we have.
coordination is essential. and above all, use custom games despite the halfbaked statuts itâs currently in, suggest more changes on how to enhance it to allow more HA customs and once everything has been setted up with concrete evidences to show, push it for a 2nd matchmaker for the base game OUTSIDE customs.
we canât just keep going to whine about stuff that should or shouldntâ be there.
as much i want to help, iâm currently busy just doing that, but for pves.
personally, i believe HA can only be reached behind PVES. as the problem that i faced majority of the time, the issue behind HA are the players that are not there for HA.
hence, against bots itâs more duable.
and perhaps i can land some help with HA mods, but behind that, itâs all in your hands.
as they say, god didnât made the world in all one day. which itâs a long process and requires time and alot of effort. which iâm sorry to say, but if you are not willing to invest at least a portion of it INTO it. iâm afraid weâll get no where.
just like we are currently doing.
TLDR; uncle t is right on certain things, and not so much on others. just as everyone.
but not doing much beside " no to x yes to y. or you must go in customs " hardly works for anyone.
community efforts makes changes. not singular individuals or rants on a forum.
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None of the âideasâ we have here arent new in anykind, infact they are the exact same âideasâ that has been presented in previous topics more than once.
And they have been explained to detail why they aint working in the upcoming br matchmake.
Doesnt exactly change the fact that even in current setup it is possible to gather like minded people to play in custom games with rules all abide to.
If not, then there apparently isnt enough ppl intrested HA.
Quite opposite, im more than certain the upcoming matchmake is the right way to go for the game, disregarding any HA ( Like there was any to start with ) for balance.
Depends which opinion you share, as said numerous times Im more than willing to sacrifice all non existent HA for favor of balanced & populated games.
With minor coordination it would work now and most likely works even better once they give the tools to work with customs.
Which is pretty much what they promised.
Please do explain me how its impossible to gather the like minded people in current state to play by set rules all abide to ?
Which is quite pointless, I could also ask for matchmake that lets people use only flamethrowers or spades.
And its not any different request than separate HA matchmake.
Point being if the devs goal is to merge all campaigns for 1 matchmake its quite pointless to create different matchmake for all the different minorities such as HA, flamethrowers or spades.
as mentioned, i think thereâs only room for improvement.
and they do work just fine in the new merge matchmaker.
once again, just like war thunder.
because once again you arenât thinking straight.
the main reason why you canât really gather people itâs because
A, customs are bad in their own rights
B, it requires people to have unlocked stuff.
B2, which to the B issue, mods would have allowed to make custom loadouts where the issue would have been fixed., yet, custom games do not allow custom profiles to be used by players. only bots profiles are accepted. profiled from past events are accepted, but not the custom ones made by players. hence, kinda defeat the purposes or the ability.
C, it canât prevent from people like you to join.
D. Exps restrictions
i do believe thereâs somewhat interest in HA, itâs just thereâs no support from officials to allow even the basic moderation / tools. and hence, almost no one shows up and dive further in the idea of HA given the not so much prospery attitudes shown on the forum.
starting from the editor.
itâs a good thing that they actually made the equipment selector to make custom matches simpler, but i speculate that itâs going to be clunky and not ideal either.
because once again, custom does not allow an easy flow. like, people canât change the equipment on the get go.
and i believe itâs going to be even somewhat worse as i donât think it can be integrated with mods.
you have to select it from the custom games.
you got that wrong.
i wasnât mentioning the HA in the casual merge. because again, thatâs casual.
where theres like, no sacrified needed for anything.
itâs almost as if youâre closed minded.
but thatâs a you thing and your opinion only.
what matters for the argument at hand, both can cohexists perfectly fine to include more people.
and to think people though crossplay was a mistake.
yet, here we are.
Wrong.
unfortunately, itâs not enough.
it is certainly a great start that i donât see many people thanking the devs for, ( not even from the individuals above )
well, just like HLL ( yet, both games are different ) on the top of my head, you can bring HA through if thereâs actual support and the right enivorement. meaning, make 2 matchmaker, one with realism where there are some limitations ( or essentially, merge all together the campaigns into one line for each faction and define the weapons by year ) and the other arcade.
it wouldnât be really that difficult to main as the "historical " was only one, and there are planty of sourches out there describing how it was.
it does not " hurt " anyone or waste anything.
so both parties can cohexist and have their own place. which itâs what matters.
i donât see why X should have their own place, but not Y.
as after all, the HA argument is not completely " insane " because this game was advertised as one.
on that, mods and customs are the right way. because HA is completly something different.
which, i start to question what do you know about HA at all.
it gives the impression that you know nothing of the kind yet reject it.
and itâs quite⊠ironic.
yeah, just as itâs so idiotic that we started from 6 matchmaker to only technically 4 based per faction / nation.
i donât see how reduce it from 6 to 2 itâs worse or damageing from 1.
after all, you said it, more people play the arcade.
then let the second group play on the 2nd type.
just like war thunder once again.
( i know, we donât have precisely the same numbers )
but from what i recall, simulators are a thing, and donât get often played. but the option is there for those who wants it.
no matter how you feel or what you believe.
( regarding my position on the matter )
HA should be through pves.
matter of fact, i believe thatâs where HA should go. but thatâs my personal opinion.
easier to maintain, easier to do, and thatâs probably the closest thing you can get without much effort.
but i donât mind nor see why we canât have a 2nd matchmaker based on historical settings with either a different tech tree or outright the same with locked stuff.
after all, itâs based on the players whether what he wants to play, or not.
makes no differences to anyone. as i have yet to understand a reasonable explanation on why this shouldnât be the case.
played by no one? so what.
with the same logic, half of the equipment in the game or outright customs shouldnât exist or never have been created.
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