Sure, shitposting same “idea” all over again that has been explained to detail why its not working isnt exactly improvement of anykind.
locking equipment to certain maps ? Why merge at all then.
Never said its perfect
So this entire HA community is at level 10 or what ?
Sure it takes time & effort to make “HA” squad but not exactly impossible.
Well you can always put the password, sure if I recall it requires premium or what ever. But considering these earlier “suggestions” how HA attracts warhammer nerds with 35bucks minions the minor price shouldnt be a problem.
Currently there to prevent bot farming.
Well as said with some coordination you can do it now, never said its easy but doable.
Just like in numerous other games this has been done before.
If theres not enough intrested players to fill even one 10v10 HA game I hardly believe its justified to ask for own matchmake.
Again, the “suggestion” of locking equipments to maps to keep some sort of HA.
is technically same as keeping the game as it is.
There are fairly few equipments that could travel across different maps because they appear in different campaigns.
So yeah, I dont see anyway how the “HA” could remain with the new matchmake.
No idea what your after here as HLL never had matchmake far as I remember.
If you are yet again saying HA games cant be created because theres no mod to force people for certain equipment, thats problem with your HA community then. Not the game.
This has been done quadrubblethrillionmillionten times in past in games that did not have lets say competive mode yet created. People made rules, they abided to the rules because thats what they wanted to play.
If this HA community doesnt have
a) Enough people intrested of it, why even bother to ask for matchmake ?
b) Incapable to know what HA means while asking for HA aka choosing wrong equipment to said games.
c) unable to abide rules
Then the problem definitely aint the game.
Like we currently have ? Somewhat distantly “HA” timeline setup that works so well that fair share of moscow games are absolute bot games since no one is intrested to fight with inferior equipment as german as well as grind for months before they get a decent tools ?
Probably because devs have chosen the direction of the game, merge the campaigns, merge the playerbase.
So HA, Flamethrower only, spades only, only driving cars and what else doesnt exactly fit to that equation as separate matchmake.
Well I grant that there were some shady ass marketing. Eitherway they were removed quite some time ago and thus its quite irrelevant to point out what the game was 3 years ago.
Not really, its a game mode just as spades only.
Why is this HA anymore important than spades only ? Considering the fact that neither one is fit for new upcoming matchmake.
That it doesnt exist in the game.
You may explain your vision of HA, since theres plenty of the variations I honestly cant know which one is yours.
You just dont get the point do you ? Devs chose the direction where the core game is going it is simple as that.
Unify the matchmake & Playerbase.
To this equation separate matchmake for ponies, HA, spades only, prone only moving and what else mod simply doesnt fit.
It really is that simple.
Il just throw assumption as ive got no intrest to fact check.
War thunder has quite alot bigger playerbase.
So they dont exactly have the issue of enlisted.
Hmm let me think, probably because devs chose to merge campaigns to unify playerbase to get populated & more balanced games.
Somehow another matchmake that again separates the playerbase doesnt make any sense.
Or if theres not enough HA players to fill even one custom games then why make it at all ?
Like why devs should spend a second of theyr time to make a separate matchmake for people that cant make a single 10v10 game in customs ?
i could and probably should start a thread to think about every detail and make it more interesting for the gameplay side.
it’s just that apparently no one have done that before nor i really have time. or interest.
i’m more focused on my pves. i’ll might properly do something about it in the future.
because that’s the main reason of realism. the reason of the second matchmaker.
being different from the arcady stuff.
and get to play for what enlisted was advertised for.
never addressed it’s issue either.
you forget that making HA loadout is quite the challenge both when grinding because you are forced to fight opponents who does not really have the same goal as you.
sure, you insert your cheap argument on how it’s the HA fault but they never asked it in the first place.
second, majority of weapons that would be considered historical accurate are at high tier / dispered across 4 campaigns if we take into account the 4 different campaign.
the merge would facilitate that and remove the reused / recycled gap content that are present in all campaigns ( such as the mp40, the g43 etc )
that’s the main reason.
i can’t really say i’m surprised by your answer, because you don’t actually think about you say.
i actually believe you have no idea what HA is supposed to be. nor what really happened. ( or even read a book about what happened or how the war was fought with that weapons )
which it’s fine, but don’t clash against it if you don’t even know what it’s about.
true.
but at the same time, it would have been much simpler if they would have made at least the custom profile works ( and it doesn’t even take much, since the entities.blk do works, but only locally. and TommyZMM ( one among the most experienced modders of this game found out that it can be solved with one line. yet nothing has been done about it )
i suppose that’s a valid point.
but, it has to do more to the fact that you need coordination ( hoping that all players are available for that time enstablished for the hosting ), time zones, Ping due to people being from different places and what not.
i tried to host stuff in the past, it’s more tidieos. which can be simplified by a matchmaker dedicated for it.
as it would allow other people as well to join without needing a password.
like, easier to join at any moment without having to wait for the host as well.
etc.
even if the lobby is full, you still have restrictions.
so, other people must go through hussles just because it’s their problem?
and, it’s fine because it does not affect you.
got it.
i guess fair enough, but at the same time, i don’t see why it should be that difficult when in reality, it shouldn’t. nor would it be if someone putted more effort to it.
maybe i’m getting impatient. that’s all.
but for unrelated reasons to HA.
as for the point, even with coordination, if you do not have official support it’s just tedious and time consuming. when it would be simplified by a similar matchmaker with 1 or 2 rules different.
i think it is.
and a try doesn’t hurt .
heck, an event would be a great starter.
since… those have never been used for just that.
not really.
because it removes the limits imposed and expands the areas of where you are gonna play.
you could potentially use Tunisia in moscow and the other way around, as historically, both equipment were used ( outside panzer IIIB but that’s a minor slippery slope that can be accepted as it does not hurt realism as much as others relevant topics )
it would work like the upcoming merge, except the weapons are per year.
it’s up to devs if they want to balance it out through br, or HA. either way, majority of the advocates for HA would be happy.
as it would be an improvement over arcady monkery which not everyone is a fan of.
like?
it’s fine. it’s just a you thing.
a shame.
everyone else can though.
a poor choise from me indeed.
i originally had in mind to make a different comparison and forgot to delete it as i didn’t went through.
as HLL does have a matchmaker, but of different kind.
except, it is of the game as it allows people to join.
why do you think the equipment limitator has been created in the first place?
because if they didn’t deemed this problem of the game, they most likely wouldn’t have created it in the first place.
is that… hard to follow?
except, other games have simpler and effective ways to get rid of bad actors.
you never managed something that has to do with these type of stuff. let alone you don’t even know how customs works.
because you’d know that admins can’t do anything to kick people and what not. because there are certain individuals who just wants to troll and ruin the experience for others.
heck, even in the base game you find people like that.
yet, you presume all HA are like that without evidences of it and misrepresent the whole argument.
congratulations. you played your self.
i have explained it above in previous points.
and as a reminder, to be more faster in terms of convenience. not having to wait 2 mins each time for a match to start, not having to exist each time to change a weapon / loadout. and not needing to coordinate or be able to attend to a specific custom because some people just want to play without all the husle of having to join a discord, and what not.
it’s more funny that you make every attempt to dunk on HA people and claim that they are the one not knowing what they want. yet you are the one who doesn’t even know what’s HA in the first place.
ironic.
yet, you forget that rules are mostly made for others rather than the ones who respect them.
never heard of bad actors? trolls and what not. right?
and yet to accuse HAers ?
idk how you claim that moscow is full of bots, because it aint.
but potentially, yeah. if it comes down to bots, that’s fine for the HA community as well.
the only who complains about bots, are usually the casuals / arcady people that wants to kill players and what not just to brag in a bot game.
you tell me.
but, ideally, low level players would start from moscow yes. and ideally, also play tunisia since it’s also relatively early in the war. the unlocks are somewhat the same. heck, even stalingrad.
the HA " problem " is not so much the eniviroment, as much as them having to face stuff that it’s not historically accuurated as advertised.
which, i’m sure it’s just a matter of time before a matchmaker will be introduced.
it’s just that not many people are willing to pull their weight to achieve it.
differentiate 6 matchaker was one thing.
reduce it to 2 it’s another.
true. but it’s never late to make some changes to appease to more players ( and not having to change the marketing stuff and what not )
win win for everyone.
no.
because one does not need an entire new matchmaker and can be done by simply customs.
the other, does not.
it requires literally less and roughly the same as the merge it self.
if players had the ability to make their own merge through a custom games, trust me, no one would have complained nor we would be here discussing about it.
but is that case?
right. so you do speak about things that you don’t know.
i wish to say i apreciate the honesty, but it’s kinda overdue and not really helpful at this stage.
true. which it’s why i said perhaps a brainstorming is needed.
you are right on this, i usually express my visual which often tries to be the most efficent and less bias possible towards everyone.
( in the margine possibles )
what you are not undertstanding, is that we want exactely what the merge is, but with a historical placement.
it shouldn’t be hard for you to understand it.
or a similar version yet balanced.
essentially like older campaigns one after another with some tweaks ( such as squad medics and what not )
yes, but it takes 6 mins to find a match there.
which call me crazy, i don’t think it’s usually ideal for a game.
yet, the gamemode it’s still there.
people that wants to play it can. they have to willingly wait.
which it’s what i’m talking about.
having the option there and it’s up to players do whatever they want.
never i have been forced to play what the game wanted.
which it’s the good thing.
hence, if you are not personally gonna play HA, let those who wants do it.
does it really affect you?
i hardly think so.
if you actually believe that, afraid me saying it, but you’re a moron.
it does fuck all but that.
well, yes it does.
it separate those who just wants to experience the game in HA manner from those who actively wants to play it and don’t care about HA settings and what not.
it’s that simple.
and if you claim no one is gonna play it, ( as much i can claim some will actually play it ) even better.
i hardly think the playerbase will be shaked with such introduction.
but you are free to prove me wrong.
( if you can ).
yes. because if it’s made officially, people would actually see that it has been made officially instead of made by someone and do not have to worry about all the others stuff previously mentioned.
look, i’m fine if you don’t want it, it’s your opinion and whatever.
but it literally does not hurt the game in any concealable way.
personally, it does not affect me.
( outside the customs being shite. i would be hosting my pves 24/7 )
although i don’t see why this game can’t be enjoyed by more people even if a minority.
heck, it would actually make it more in line with the actual advertisement. but that’s the minor part.
i agree with this. when you have PvP game then you also must have balance. there are many things that this game sacrifices in HA aspect to achieve that balance. this has been state of the game since before i even begun playing it. PvE makes it possible to have unbalanced matches with high degree of HA.
No its not, its definition of insanity.
Doing same shit all over again and expecting different results.
Sure once we get playerbase similar to warthunder or csgo and game can sustain multiple matchmakes.
Or once theres actually enough ppl intrested of such that it can even be justified to have separate matchmake.
Not sure how selecting starter infantry teams with bolt-actions & 1 smg / mg what ever “HA” oriented squad you are building is a problem.
Unless you are now saying that every and each HA enthusiast began to play the game 2 days ago and havent unlocked technically anything yet ?
Use BA’s regardless of PPSh being high lvl majority of armies used BA as primary weapon.
True, because HA is literally simple as it happened or it didnt.
But apparently this forums “HA” visions are littered with “suspension of disbelief” and what ever HA visions.
So you are right, Ive got no idea what your HA vision is.
Majority of players using BA dont exactly fall way too far from the truth.
And im not asking for HA here, even less I know what HA vision you have since theres plenty of varietys.
And id say its up to HA people to decide what weapons are allowed to use in theyr games, not my decision.
Perhaps spend your time and energy to get that fixed than asking for separate matchmake that is pretty much impossible in current state.
Shouldnt be that much of a task to create a discord channel and get your HA enthusiast there.
Neither it should be a issue to create games with reasonable time if this HA group is in any manner significant size.
If not, again why create a separate matchmake to please only few players ?
Yeah, pretty much.
BF3 never had official competive mode.
Yet it had somewhat healthy competive community, which did the mod for it eventually.
Before that games were played in standard game mode with rules all abide to.
Except the reason for not having 9000 different matchmakes to every minor group has been explained now more than few times why its not possible.
Well sure, you can always ask but so far there havent been a single rational reason to do so.
For few weapons such as MP40.
So yeah its quite restricting.
Quite pointless to ruin the balance of game to please group that cant host 10v10 game id say.
I havent seen much people complain about it except the few loud HA enthusiast.
That makes sense
Password
I believe the subject was that even in current state of the game you can create HA games.
But apparently you
a) Dont have enough players
b) They dont know what HA means
As said above.
Again problem with your community.
Well, its been relatively clear these past months that this HA “group” isnt something id expect to invent a cure to cancer.
But as said, such games with technically no support at all from the game has been done many times.
Infact over quadrubbletrilliononetens time.
Its not impossible, if your group lacks the size or coordination to do so its again problem with your community.
And if the size of said group is the problem we may again ask why they should have a matchmake ?
Yeah they shouldnt.
For who ? I mean your group is incapable to even host 10v10 game so how many is there actually even intrested of this ?
Hell if I host a spades only game with my friends we have achieved by far more than your “HA” enthusiast group and should get own matchmake for spades only game.
It was your argument that you cant prevent people to join with wrong gear.
In past 10 years of somewhat competive play in different games with rules that arent “supported” by main game majority of games went just fine.
So pardon me it sounds bit odd that all the bad actors happens to be HA enthusiasts.
Such advertisements has been long gone so id say its time to get over it.
Yeah, maybe when theres enough players or there actually is enough HA enthusiast to even host a single 10v10 game.
Untill that id say theres 0 reasons.
I dont see any reason why spades only, prone only shouldnt have also own matchmake ? They are just as far from core game idea as your HA concept.
Probably the exact reason why they decided to make this new matchmake, make most people happy.
Yeah it is.
Actually both can be done in customs just fine.
This is yet again one very simple thing.
Historical accuracy, it was there, or it happened theres no maybe it was there or perhaps it could have been there.
So no, considering probably each campaign has something that doesnt belong there theres no historical accuracy.
Very simple.
And yet you fail to understand that this game is going for 1 matchmake with core game.
Rest from HA to spades only will be in customs.
Well got to agree, tanks facing tanks they can fight against. Guns somewhat equally efficient.
Sounds horribly balanced to current situation of pz2 vs T34
damn how silly of me.
Sure then go customs as its not where the core game is going.
If theres plenty of people playing it, it will split the nonexistend playerbase
If its like you claim that you cant even host a single 10v10 game then theres simply no reason to even add such.
Dear fking lord.
We dont have enough players we need merge
“LetS make SOme MoRe MAtcHmakes sO wE cAN splIT plAYErS agAIN”
@TUSUPOLISI69 he’s just an internet troll. He brings nothing to the conversation, he criticizes everything, the eternal pessimist is afraid to waste time talking to him, he only clutters the Forum.
@robihr this user uses very rational arguments for moving away from as much historical accuracy as possible because at the moment such a conversation does not make sense.
You also have to look at the fact that Darkflow Software has a powerful Snail above it. It can be noticed that Enlisted, apart from a separate game, is also a base for experimenting with various mechanics that cannot be implemented in WT because they require testing, and it is best to test it on live players rather than on a closed group of testers.
The second thing is that Snail also has financial requirements for Darkflow Software, because the game engine is definitely on lease, not bought.
I am still an opponent of MP3008 or VG1-5 on lower BR, and even more so on campaigns that are not fighting in Germany AD 1945.
Maybe someday we’ll see both realistic and historical mode.
But the truth is that historical accuracy is a big imbalance, and Darkflow Software targets this category of younger players, as exemplified by the non-working brutality in the game (which I paid for by buying access to CBT).
For now, let’s focus on why submachine guns have to be lower than machine guns?
Or why machine guns are not tier 1.
Or the most important. Will bolt action rifles still have higher damage than semi/auto-carbines?
Will the intermediate round have lower damage or will rifles have damage based on caliber?
Because your sentences are provocative without any arguments, instead you write “prove” or “source”. And you only negate all the proposals that do not coincide with your vision of the game. And from your statements it is not known what vision it is and that’s why I perceive you as a Troll pessimist.
And any criticism of BF or CoD seems to be very personal to your person.
How rude of me to actually ask some sort of prove or source for silly claims.
And the reason to it has been explained rather many times.
Its been made rather clear, cant help it if you cant read.
You can critize them all you want for all I care.
Doesnt change the fact that those arcade games has more players & made more money than any of the HA oriented game.
So its rather clear which genre sells and attracts people.
but i was meaning about making the same idea with improvements.
i don’t like it either, because i rather one suggestion well thought out and stick with that.
instead of making more suggestions of which some are half baked.
but i do not represent the majority, nor the majority do the same as i do
which it’s fine.
( no, i’m not an ego maniac or think my self as above others )
we’re on an agreement.
wonders to happen. yay.
you do realize that ha is quite expensive in enlisted as well… right?
here, little snippets of my upcoming mod:
here are some of the historical loadouts:
you can roughly estimate how much that would take you to grind?
( the weapons below the red lines, are personal modifications )
so yeah… you tell me.
well, in order to pick up new players, you also have to think about them as well.
so…
that wasn’t the point.
i suggest you to read again.
that couldn’t be far from the truth.
and HA don’t decide what weapon is being used or not.
it’s not like an ice cream that has different flavors? ( technically it does, but in the HA context, it’s based on the time period of the battle. )
so get this thing right as well.
HA isn’t determined by a single individual, but by factors ( faction in question, time period, weapons available etc ).
for the sake of gameplay, majority of the stuff gets " greenlighted " which it’s fine as otherwise some weapons would not entirely appear ( which i wouldn’t be against either ).
as vague as it sounds, what HA ( hardcores or not ) wants, is to avoid seeing vgs weapons in tunisia, king tigers in moscow etc.
whether that has been debunked or not, some others non so realistic / historical facts arises.
and for a game that proclaims to be historical accurate, that’s not cool.
eventually, when the realistic matchmaker will be implemented it’s going to be a thing of the past. but since it’s not here yet ( which it’s fine, as long it will come. ) people to point out and have all right to point out the idiocy of it.
A. it’s pretty much possible.
B. we did. but it does not get much of attention because almost no one uses mods. ( and would you guess why? hint hint. customs. )
C. i did. literally.
considering that i’m busy on my own, it kinda is.
i’m surprised i even have time for mods to be honest.
( or rather, that’s kinda why my mods rate is slow )
but, A
i can’t quite possibly access to all HAers. because i don’t know them all, and the fraction of players that watches the forum is really a small fraction.
hence, easier to access them through a matchmaker.
whether you like it or not.
beside, i’m not really the social type.
that’s by definition, something that was promised and never got introduced by officials.
which was made by players. to later on die a few years after.
call me crazy. or speculative, but the fact that it was handled by players wasn’t really welcome. let alone all the shortcomings.
which it’s something i’d like to avoid for enlisted.
at this point, i don’t care if you disagree or not, i’m just providing and giving attention to something that has potential.
even if it doesn’t, you’d think in a ww2 game should be present
( especially for something that has been *cough *cough, advertised )
i don’t personally demand it right now. but over the next year or the next one. it’s fine. as long it comes.
which i know it will come, it’s just a bit sad that more people will have to wait.
heck, i dare to say it should be a promised feature. as it would bring prentively some people. sure, some expectation would be ruined, but at least they would stick around and get the equipment needed.
dunno. so far, i’m good with that.
it’s fine honey.
the planty of reasons that have been given weren’t made to appeal or convince you.
i’m just explaning to you so that you could have perhaps understood.
whether you did or not, doesn’t really change much for me.
as again, my priorities are in line with pves matchmaker. which it’s another can of worm for me to go through. despite dragging this thing for almost 2 years. but, i gotta give credits for you to actually made me realize one thing.
in order for my pves to succeed, i need to show results. and the best way for me to do it, would be through mods.
even though, i get effed up by customs and the rudimental/primitive states are currently in despite customs being a thing by quite some time. which believe it or not, the same goes for HA. it would help if it would work.
anyway, enough for my tangent.
for quite many actually.
the k98s production are an example, the MP serie is another ( even though restricted by regiment that would have been able to be used )
believe me, HA is not as restrictive as you believe.
( mostly because the equipment was the same )
it would make just weapons more powerful and less sprayed across every weapon.
like, g43s would be more rarer, same goes for svts, some mps, majority of russians and japanese weapons etc.
it’s more skill based. because you have powerful weapons but limited. and hence, increase their value and makes people play somewhat more better than avoids the rushing.
hard to explain it through words, but there’s more to it.
because you simply just look and find what suits your narrative.
and there would be no need for those in the custom matches.
crazy.
as you are somewhat being forced upon your willingess to go in the HA category rather than the Arcady one.
again, it’s up to the player. if you don’t like it, you don’t have to play it.
it’s like you people get afraid of HA just because you don’t like it and you guys needs all the crotches needed with more fantasy weapons and absurd / unrealistic loadouts.
but really. no one is taking away your " freedom ".
that, is what you call projection.
way to go ken… way to go.
but no. there are some players, and there would be even more if properly advertised.
again, doesn’t really and shouldn’t concern you since you’re not the target.
yet it’s hilarious as you oppose it.
you sure do care about it.
i wonder why. no apparent reason, and tries to provide some half baked solutions.
you can go all you want with the number / data argument. but you can’t prove yours as much i can’t prove mine.
that’s barely a solution nor an effective one.
rather, problem with the game and lack of moderation.
as, i’d like to remind you, it’s a free to play.
reminds of the type of logic to fit 1’000 people inside a 16 seater bus.
if you actually think, you might realize the flaw in the logic it self.
having to due with what’s available isn’t always possible.
outside from that, i’d like to remind you the possibility of people trying new things, or playing them even if they never saw it before.
it’s more of a high risk reward game.
which i don’t necessarely expect for your kind to apreciate nor understand,
but as stated multiple times, you guys have your place.
we can have our own and cohexist.
that’s your opinion.
i can bet 10 dollars you don’t.
but that’s beside the point.
there are enough players to do HA and enough to get a matchmaker.
if war thunder did it, so can everyone else.
it’s based on the players decision.
you don’t like it? you don’t play it.
s o u r c h e ?
i don’t really need sourches.
there are planty of threads both in the reddit and discord to show that there is interest in them.
heck, even just like pve, might attract even more numbers ( even if a niche )
can you prevent team fire in the base game?
quite sure the answer is no.
if anything, proves your fallacie in addressing the actual problem instead of looking in the wrong direction.
i’m just saying.
because of moderation.
it’s fine if you want to pretend it’s all easy and dandy just for your own eyes.
but i’m fairly sure you don’t know what’s always lurking behind the scene… especially in a free to player.
so… that’s probably the weakest point you could have gone for.
also, HA has nothing to do with competitive. idk where you’re getting this idea from.
more than you think.
it’s similar to RPs, but, i don’t think you’re the RP type of person.
so, it’s fine if you don’t know it, but you would, if you actually tried them.
i rather think and propose to address that and make it in actual reality.
i can only see more bonus than cons.
as again, it’s advertised. it’s everything still there.
might as well save some work or pay interns to change it.
( which you can’t really change old sponsorships made with notorius shills and " content creators ". )
we’re still in time to change it and make it happen.
because i’m fairly sure no one actually would play spade only if not for the lols with friends.
HA brings more people, history enthusiast and others that are interested about history rather than casual monkery.
also, i highly suggest you to check Post Scriptum, Hell Let Lose, Red orchestra 2, Rising Storm 2, Easy red, and others great total players count.
sure, those are more or less games of niche, but H&G was one of the most played free to play game ( yes, H&G wasn’t Historically accurate. and 10 times worse than this game, but it had alot of numbers )
so i beg to differ. there are far more. and could be far more players if done properly ( which doesn’t require 100 bilions of resourches )
so try with something else instead of your weak imaginary argument.
it’s quite sickening.
said literally no one.
no it’s not.
why don’t you try making it instead?
if you claim it can be done just like snapping your fingers, you must know about it?
you have previously tried?
did you gathered enough people to try customs and prove me dead on this spot, that it’s duable?
yeah, no. i call that bullshit.
so, try again.
which proves my point that you don’t know anything about it.
and you’re not understand that there’s room for a second. since it got shrinked from 6 to 1. could be 2 as well.
no drama there.
yes.
you can still make it balanced AND Historically *Shocker
or, you can make it historically and not balanced.
for make, makes no difference.
the t34 is not that great either.
except, it can, and will.
mark my words.
more like the opposite.
i think that’s wrong.
we both have players ( from pc and consoles )
so, again, even if you claim there aren’t HA players for a matchmaker, why are you worried that it will split the playerbase?
you keep contradicting your self.
what is it then?
first you claim there isn’t enough playerbase.
and in the same sentence you claim that it divide the playerbase.
look honey, it’s alright if you don’t want get over details/nitpicks and try to find every possible details " wrong " just to get your cheap " HA! see? it will never works "
because you are keep using straw arguments after straw arguments.
it would have been fine if you would have stopped to the part that you just say that you don’t like HA.
which again, it’s fine. it’s not meant to be liked by casual/arcade players.
it’s more for those who cares and are not fine with the fantasy stuff.
because for the last time, it will only benefit the playerbase by introducing more players.
whether you’re against progress, it’s fine.
but other people have different ideas.
so yeah, that’s about it.
i’d recommend you to get some history book and get things straight.
and please, avoid as much as possible the term " customs " when it comes to HA. because that’s hardly a solution nor a correct answer.
so yeah, until next time i guess.
im fairly sure it won’t be over here.
but our conversation is kinda over as you’re just going in circles.
Literally just this. All this discussion and arguing would be avoided, except those that are completely distrustful of Darkflow’s promises, if they just promised this feature in the future. Instead we get a soft rule, which they made sure to emphasize “soft”, which we know literally next to nothing about. Hell, even explaining the soft rule, which they should have done in this news post alongside the levels presented, would have been an improvement for this situation. It’s honestly hard to believe that they believe that silence and community outrage would go down better than interacting with the community and easing their worries.
This is why arguments always occur and why a lot of people are annoyed, lol.
It starts with:
“The game doesn’t have enough players, so that’s the reason for the update.” HA players don’t like the implementation, so ask for something to help cater to them.
“We can’t cater to them since that would end up splitting the queues.” Despite a lot of people threatening to leave, in the end, it would make no difference in player base if a good portion leave due to an update unifying them.
“If they don’t like where the game is going, they can go play HLL/PS/RS/etc.” Basically saying they don’t care about the purpose of the update, which is, in theory, supposed to unite and retain the player base.
Irony doesn’t dawn on them, so now you repeat the cycle at step 1.
I think as long as it’s understandable, it’s good.
Sure, now the long road for proving theres players for that or increase the playerbase begins.
With this rate id expect it to come a thing around 2083.
Quite sure bolt actions comes even free ?
Its a start, while your level 10 friends eventually gets there.
Well we still dont have any prove of any significant HA group to even exist.
Closest was this one dudes screenshot of forumpost about HA that had 80? likes.
Thats not even a marginal group considered entire playerbase.
Then host early war games.
Quite simple.
Or are you expecting to get a matchmake that unlocks everything for free from said time period ?
EEeeeh, no.
Well im sorry if your friends are lvl 10 or below. Unfortunately I cannot grant nor even care to grant them free exp or unlocks in order for you to host late war HA games.
Which again brings a question of table what is this HA group exactly ?
Which you can already do in custom games.
Care to point out where exactly does this game claims to be historically accurated ?
Technically, yeah.
Just like its possible to add spades only, prone only and what ever matchmake mode.
Then if you put feelings aside and consider the state of game, its not.
Especiatly when roadmaps major goal is to merge campaigns & playerbase.
Or lack of players intrested to anything HA related hint hint
Oh no, your busy ? Well let me just buy all the levels for you after all your incovenience definitely outweights the future of the game.
So we’re yet again at part of such group being insignificant in size.
And obviously uncoordinated.
Which was just one of many similar examples.
Hardly a problem for group that actually wants something.
And this potential is seen where ?
80 likes on forum post ?
Not a single 10v10 even hosted at customs ?
Devs have decided the goal & road of the game its just that simple.
If you wish to change it then you actually have to have something else to prove the other road would be better than 80 likes on certain forum post.
Yes, let me count them.
Big HA group that cant coordinate even a single 10v10 game in customs due to lack of players
And
80 likes on certain forum post ( Which isnt even marginal part of playerbase if considered total numbers )
Even that small restriction is too much when idea is to unify playerbase, get balanced & populated games.
Moscow being prime example of how this current “timeline HA” definitely aint working.
Which is one more reason to not add such.
Yes, after all its me asking for separate matchmake in current state.
With absolutely maginificient arguments such as 80 likes on forum post.
Really ?
Playerbase is too small
2 matchmakes yet again splits the already small playerbase and definitely aint aligned with the current roadmap
OR the most likely reason, the said group is such insignificant that there aint a single reason to waste a second of working time to please them.
Try all you want to make it my personal conquest against HA but so far I havent seen a single rational reason from this HA group for this.
Pretty much your own words, apparently you cant deal with bad actors in HA group and is such big issue you cant host games.
So we’re again at point that why such group that cant even abide theyr own rules should get anything ?
Yeah sure, based on what ?
I might as well claim the game would bloom if it was spades only because people from minecraft would migrate to this.
So far you havent provided any solution
Well then this is rather irrelevant and theres even less reasons to add separate matchmake as you cant provide any numbers would it be used at all.
And as said, done in many other games as well.
and you will, in custom games.
doubt you can afford that bet so il pass.
Theres also even more people that want spades only so.
We actually had another matchmake in past.
Which got removed, I doubt it was because it worked so well.
Okay so, thing X works in warthunder so it must work in game that doesnt even have fraction of WT’s playerbase
BUT
Hosting games that has been working in pretty much every online game in past 20 years somehow doesnt work here.
???
As well as internet is full of discussions about spades only.
This is how arguments works.
TK is totally comparable to having a group that shares same enthusiast.
Or the fact that your HA group has no idea what HA is ? Or there aint such group at all rather just few loud inviduals at forums demanding selfish things at cost of the core game.
Doable. Very least you could do it in order to prove theres actually someone intrested of this.
Hosting a game with HA rules isnt exactly anymore difficult than hosting a game with competive rules.
Both has restrictions to what can be used and what not.
All intrested to subject abides by the rules, apparently there just isnt even 20 HA people to do this.
Okay so “HA” group is now full of trolls ? Definitely a group that deserves special treatment.
You can, in customs.
Which most likely is the reason your not working in marketing.
I can ensure you there are millions of people intrested of spades only game, its all there in internet.
None of the above mentioned games has even comparable playerbase to leading arcade games.
Which also probably is the reason why leading game studios havent touched HA / realism in anymanner because its a niche market with very little intrest.
Yeah massive.
I mean spades only doesnt require any resources, just restrict all weapons and I can ensure you theres millions of people maybe even billions that would come.
I also promise they would buy premium spades for 50bucks.
80 likes on forum post, niche games and ofc trust me bro.
You really want to speak about imagination ?
Quite alot of people are happy with it.
Could even say majority as all I can see opposing it are few HA enthusiast that are irrelevant to game anyway.
I dont really need the necessity as game is going to direction I like.
Aka im not the minority here trying to justify why they deserve special treatment.
You tell me how this game fits to that.
It doesnt.
Just because you feel like entitled to special treatment for no reason it doesnt really change the facts.
No wonder why DF decided to shove you people to custom games.
Yep, no.
I mean theres 2 shitty options, either it breaks the game or theres not really anyone except you and 3 others playing it so its not worth even making.
As said above.
Either another matchmake splits the playerbase which isnt aligned with the roadmap that IS trying to unite it
OR
There are you and few others playing it so entirely irrelevant spend a second of work to do it.
L2 read.
You do understand those 2 dont exclude each other ?
A) We know we have too small playerbase
b) For that reason merge
So pay attention now, we can have 10 people as playerbase OR there can be 100 000 people.
And both can be splitted.
Its not magic.
“There is alot HA players I just dont have numbers”
“Yes yes lots will come if HA I promise i just dont have numbers”
“Yes yes this is bestest mode internet search you for information”
You really are something.
Sure it will, just like spades only.
Yes please do explain me how this game is HA or ever had it.
How exactly will we obtain Squads with this new techtree?
Because i have purchased the Battlepass Tiger E from gold orders but dont have a squad to play it with, yet, and wont unlock it in time for the update.
Will tanks just be made interchangeable so i can play any tank with any squad? Or will i have to research the Tiger E in the techtree to get the squad for my Battlepass Tiger E?
In that case, which of the two squads that can hold the Tiger E (one from normandy and one from berlin) will be the one we get to research and play the tank with?
yeah next time, try with less projections, and more sense.
cheers.
p,s you still got the whole HA thing wrong in 4 hours. gg.
there’s no salvation for you.
( so quit arguing against something that you don’t even fully comprehend. thanks )
Since every vehicles and equipment will have a numerical battle rating, there won’t be any reason to lock the vehicle from previous crewmen.
your squad of tanker 1 decides to drive a King Tiger? Off to tier 10 they go!
It’s what I believe anyway. I could be wrong.
Edit:
The only caveat there could be, is the unlocks for said vehicle. Like the number of crewmen you can get in the tank. Or it’s upgrades. While a gold tank is always completely upgraded, it’s still meh with just 3 men driving it… Idk how it will go.
