Japanese Air Line Tiering is messed up

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Im sorry yeah but since when is D4Y1 a tier 4 aircraft?
Even in War Thunder its only like 2.3BR

Germany gets Ju-188A-2 at tier 4…
Soviets get Pe-2’s at tier 3 which is arguably a better plane than D4Y1 at tier 4
US gets P-51D at tier 3…

Heres how the japanese air planes are tier wise realistically:

  • E13A1 is Tier 1 worthy
  • A5M4 is Tier 1 worthy
  • D3A1 is Tier 1 worthy
  • B5N2 is Tier 1 worthy
  • D4Y1 is High End Tier 2, Low End Tier 3 aircraft
  • Ki-61-II Kai Ko is High End Tier 3, Low end Tier 4
  • J2M3 and Ki-84 are fine at Tier 5

Changes that are needed:

  • Remove E13A1
  • A5M4 and D3A1 at Tier 1
  • Replace B5N2 with B6N2 Mod 12Ko and make it Tier 2 , A6M2 at Tier 2
  • D4Y1 at low end Tier 3, D4Y2 at high end Tier 3 , A6M3 Mod 22 at tier 3 as well
  • Replace Ki-61-II Kai Ko (since only just over 100 were produced as a result of engine factory being destroyed) and add Ki-100 instead at tier 4. Also add B7A2 and P1Y1 at tier 4. D4Y3 at low end tier 4 would be also acceptible.
  • At Tier 5 i want to see J2M3, Ki-84, Ki-67, N1K2 and A7M2
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Yeah, this has been pointed out since merge.

No changes. Cant even fix the airspawn spawn delay in pacific

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I don’t really see the point of removing existing stuff from the game. You can just folder it.
Using production number is just some lame excuse. And tbh only less than 400 Ki-100 was produced. The difference is not even that great.

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D4Y1 is equivalent to tier 2 dauntless of us and 500kg stuka variant of axis,…I don’t get it why they made it br 4🤡,

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Id say D4Y1 is early tier 3

SBD-3 performance
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/491957-sbd-3/
388km/h at Sea Level max speed
Time to 3000m takes roughly 7 minutes

Ju-87D-3 performance
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/161907-junkers-ju-87-d-3/
361km/h at sea level
Time to 3000m takes roughly 7 minutes

D4Y1 performance
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/392577-d4y1/
518km/h at Sea Level
Time to 3000m takes roughly just 4 minutes

Whilst all planes have roughly same bombload, the D4Y1 is able to get back and re-arm faster which means more frequent bomb drops

D4Y1 – Early Tier 3
518kph at SL
571kph at 3000m
3:47 to 3000m
Bombload: 1x 250kg and 2x 60kg
Armament: 2x 7.7mm Type 97 (1200 total)
7.7mm Type 92 - Back Gunner

D4Y2 - Late Tier 3
515kph at SL
606kph at 5700m
3:53 to 3000m
Bombload: 1x 500kg and 2x 60kg
Armament: 2x 7.7mm Type 97 (800 total)
1x 7.7mm Type 92 - Back Gunner

D4Y3 - Early Tier 4
522kph at SL
603kph at 5000m
3:15 to 3000m
Bombload: 3x 250kg
Armament: 2x 7.7mm Type 97 (800 total)
1x 13.2mm Type 2 - Back Gunner

D4Y2 Ko version has 13.2mm Type 2 - Back Gunner, could be Premium

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Based except for Ki-67

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nah trust me… Ki-67 is busted
Bombload would be 8x 100kg
for a bomber it has very high speed and climb rate and the defensive capability is just OP

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Yeah, HO-RI is a fantasy vehicle yet they still add it to the game. Using production numbers alone is not a justification

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Why do we need those filler vehicles which don’t have any significant difference to begin with

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The Ho-Ri version in game is fantasy.
The real Ho-Ri productions were built on Chi-Ri II chassis

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Eh. That may be the case. We will have to see. Id rather see the Ki-48(withought the missle) first tho.

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Spot on. If it were up to me, I’d hide the Ho-Ri “Production” and put on the Ho-Ri with the standard Chi-Ri chassis.

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400 Aicraft of a single model is a significant number. So is 100.

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Fleshed out Japan Air Line:

Tier 1

F1M2
2x 7.7mm Type 97 (1000 total)
1x 7.7mm Type 92 - Back Gunner
Bombload: 2x 60kg
351kph at Sea Level
6:50 to 5000m at 100% power without WEP
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A5M4
2x 7.7mm Type 89 (1000 Total)
Bombload: 2x 60kg
380kph at Sea Level
3:35 to 3000m at 100% power without WEP
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B5N2
No Frontal Armament
1 x 7.7 mm Type 92 - Back Gunner
Bombload: 2x 250kg
Around 330kph at Sea Level
7:40 to 3000m at 100% power, not WEP
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Tier 2

Ki-43-I Hei
2x 12.7mm Ho-103 (540 total)
Bombload: 2x 30kg
437kph at Sea Level
3:03 to 3000m at 100%, 2:42 with WEP
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D3A2
2x 7.7mm Type 97 (1800 total)
1x 7.7mm Type 92 - Back Gunner
Bombload: 1x 250kg and 4x 60kg
Roughly 380kph at Sea Level
5:48 to 3000m at 100%, without WEP
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A6M2 Mod 21
2x 20mm Type 99 Mk 1 (120 total)
2 x 7.7 mm Type 97 (1,360 total)
Bombload: 2x 60kg
441kph at Sea Level
3:27 to 3000m at 100%, 3:02 with WEP
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Tier 3

D4Y1
2x 7.7mm Type 97 (1200 total)
7.7mm Type 92 - Back Gunner
Bombload: 1x 250kg and 2x 60kg
518kph at Sea Level
5:04 to 3000m at 100%, 3:47 with WEP
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Ki-61-I Otsu
4x 12.7mm Ho-103 (840 total)
Bombload: 2x 100kg
492kph at Sea Level
5:30 to 5000m at 100%, 4:55 with WEP
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D4Y2 Ko
2x 7.7mm Type 97 (800 total)
1x 13.2mm Type 2 - Back Gunnner
Bombload: 1x 500kg and 2x 30kg
515kph at Sea Level
4:25 to 3000m at 100%, 3:53 with WEP
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A6M3 Mod 22
2x 20mm Type 99 Mk 1 (250 total)
2x 7.7mm Type 97 (1000 total)
Bombload: 2x 60kg
470kph at Sea Level
3:15 to 3000m at 100%, 2:55 with WEP
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Tier 4

D4Y3
2x 7.7mm Type 97 (800 total)
1x 13.2mm Type 2 - Back Gunner
Bombload: 3x 250kg
522kph at Sea Level
4:10 to 3000m at 100% power, 3:15 with WEP
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Ki-43-III Ko
2x 12.7mm Ho-103 (540 total)
Bombload: 2x 250kg
490kph at Sea Level
2:55 to 3000m at 100% power, 2:41 with WEP
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B7A2 Homare 23
2x 20mm Type 99 Mk2 (400 total)
1x 13.2mm Type 3 - Back Gunner
Bombload: 2x 250kg and 4x 60kg
Roughly 515kph at Sea Level
Roughly 4:05 to 3000m at 100% power
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Ki-61-II Kai Ko
2x 20mm Ho-5 (400 Total)
2x 12.7mm Ho-103 (500 Total)
Bombload: 2x 250kg
544kph at Sea Level
3:35 to 3000m at 100% power, 3:13 with WEP
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Tier 5

Ki-67-I Otsu
1x 20mm Ho-5 - Dorsal Turret
2x 12.7mm Ho-104 - Tail Turret
1x 12.7mm Ho-104 - Nose Turret
1x 12.7mm Ho-104 - Port Side
1x 12.7mm Ho-104 - Starboard Side
Bombload: 8x 100kg
475kph at Sea Level
6:12 to 3000m at 100% power, 5:30 with WEP
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J2M3:
2x 20mm Type 99 Mk1 (380 total)
2x 20mm Type 99 Mk2 (420 total)
Loadout: 2x Type 5 no.6 mod 9 rockets
554kph at Sea Level
2:32 to 3000m at 100% power, 2:05 with WEP
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P1Y2 Model 16C
1x 13.2mm Type 2 in Front turret
2x 13.2mm Type 2 - Rear Turret
Bombload: 2x 500kg
502kph at Sea Level
Roughly 4:00 to 3000m at 100% power, 3:40 with WEP
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Ki-84 Otsu
4x 20mm Ho-5 (600 total)
Bombload: 2x 250kg
580kph at Sea Level
2:28 to 3000m at 100% power, 2:18 with WEP

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Premiums:
Tier 1: Ki-27 , D3A1
Tier 2: Ki-44-I, B6N1 Mod 11
Tier 3: A6M5 Mod 52, Ki-44-II hei, Ki-49-IIa
Tier 4: Ki-84 Ko (Ha-45-11), Ki-102

Note:
If Ki-67 isnt deemed tier 5 worthy then replace it with G5N or G8N
If P1Y2 isnt deemed strong enough then there is the P1Y3 Model 33, which there were 2 prototypes with the Ha-45-21, 1990hp engines instead of the 1850hp on P1Y2. It also has enhanced Bombay and the plane size was increased.

P1Y3 Model 33
Version of the long-range bomber and carrier of manned bombs “Oka” Model 22. It had increased dimensions and a combat load of 3 tons.
Bombload Options:
2x 800kg (1600kg total)
or
12x 250kg (3000kg total)
or
1x Ohka Suicide Jet Bomb

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Ill just chuck In a few planes that I posted Ages Ago. Most are already mentioned

But I love these planes: (The BRs and Payloads need to be altered to fit better)

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