Assault rifles USSR Competition 1944 ENG Job №1

The M2 Carbine, due to the current situation, is best suited for this role. But in addition to that there was the M1944 Hyde Carbine:

It’s worth noting that the M1944 Hyde Carbine is better suited as an event reward or in exchange for a gold bid, like the M2 Carbine for the research branch.

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Yeah. But I want to see something new in this regard. So I was wondering whether there were any other light rifles in the .30 Carbine. I know about a few like the Bendix-Hyde Carbine and the M1944 Hyde Carbine. But not a lot.

I feel like this should be added to the TT alongside the Type 2 SMG in the 6.5×30mm Type 95 Arisaka cartridge. This should also be the case since we are slated to get Assault Engineers for these two factions in the near future.

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If Japan gets that the type Hei automatic should have its mag size brought down to 20

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I love all of them, what a great topic!

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OMG you have no idea, I could NOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME find the pan magazine capacity for this one, literally counted the grooves on the mag manually under a photo editor and esitmated 50rd pan lol
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Fantastic research, 100% bookmarked for future reference!

Re RPS, I always assumed from writings it was a 7.62x54R weapon? Was it ever in competition with RD-44 trials?

Presuming thats jsut the difference between RPS3 and RPS6

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Hehe, “Nash Slonyara!”.

Glad the Eng community can appreciate your works too, now.

Still no scoped assault rifle/machinegun/submachinegun for soviets in counterpart to scoped stg, i’m in sorrow…
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Huh, that really made me laugh, at least because I had the same situation myself when researching the Czech Praga I 23 :joy:.

Thank you so much, I really appreciate it.

In 1942, a machine gun was made for the rifle cartridge - RPS 3:




It was supposed to replace the DP 27. The machine gun showed good results in tests, and most importantly it was very easy to produce.

The RPS 6 model appeared in the course of revision of the machine gun, it can be distinguished visually by a different buttstock:

It was already going to be produced, but for some reason the factory was in no hurry to do it, and further with the appearance of the intermediate cartridge the work on replacement of the DP 27 stopped abruptly. I can’t say why the RPS 6 never went into serial production, but I can’t say that it was influenced by the new intermediate cartridge.

Just when Simonov was brought in to design a weapon for the intermediate cartridge, he took the RPS 6 and redesigned it for the new cartridge!
That’s how the RPS M3 P44 came to be (there’s really some name confusion here, especially when you don’t know Russian):

By the way, Sergei Simonov Gavrilovich’s birthday is coming up soon! What does that mean? Well, first of all, most likely in the game will be some kind of mini event. In the second is an anniversary (130 years), so such a date, the Museum of Artillery in St. Petersburg will likely make an exhibition of weapons Simonov, I hope someone who is a gun enthusiast will photograph the exhibition and send to the Internet. In honor of such a date, youtubers and magazines can post archival materials on Simonov’s weapons, we have quite a developed gun culture.
And of course, if you have a question about the weapons of the USSR (I know a bit less about the weapons of other countries), don’t hesitate to ask me! I often help with writing topics on Ru Forum.

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Fantastic stuff! Thanks so much!
Yeah its quite hard to find this level of detail in english literature, esp about just prototype/experimental research like this.

A pleasure and hope to see many more detailed posts like this :vulcan_salute: :+1:

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How russian soldiers of ww1 used german produced sniper scopes without mounts? As a spy pipe or what? (spent a couple of days digging through photos and books about fedorov assault rifle squad that got 20 german sniper scopes for some reason and still no photos of how they used them on fedorov assault rifle…)

fedorov is kinda a ussr weapon too, so…
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If you liked my theme, I can recommend my themes in Russian:

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Пулемет Льюиса и его модификации Работа №1
Диски и английские пулемёты Работа №2
Пулемет ДП и его модификации Работа №3
Фольксштурм Работа №4
Автоматы под Kurzpatrone Работа №5
Французские самозарядные винтовки Работа №6
СВТ/АВТ и эксперименты с боепитанием Работа №7
Все про ZB26 Работа №8
ПТРС - магазины, эксперименты и оптика Работы №9
Советские карабины под пистолетный патрон 1942 года Работа №10
Ручные гранатомёты СССР конкурса 1944 года Работа №11
Конкурс карабинов США 1941 года Работа №12
Штыки для СССР Работа №13
Штыки для Германии/Италии Работа №14
Гранатомёты Германии/Италии Работа №15
Всё о MG 34 и MG 42 Работа №16

My thread about the Lewis machine gun was written by me quite a while ago, I think it would be great to improve it here))))))

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I have no evidence of optics being used on Fedorovs automatics I assume they were not used.

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Then why did they got german scopes? If they were armed only by fedorovs?

It’s quite possible they used trophy rifles.

I saw indirect evidence that they’ve tried scopes on “handheld machineguns”. I guess, fedorovs?

An artillery officer made a paper describing that installing scopes on handheld machineguns turned out to be quite ineffective and he requests installing them on regular rifles (maybe even fedorov’s ones… who knows…)

Anyway, i guess, we will never know why they were equipped with plenty of binoculars and 20 sniper scopes before they were sent to front… I doubt it was in anticipation that they’ll capture rifles, idk…

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The US will also get its own AR. Plus they also have the T20 Rifle to match the Type Hei Automatic Rifle. Seems like a fair deal to me.

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Thanks for confirming that as44 in game is pure Soviet bias. Still waiting for the day when stg45 and mkb42 get a buff.

Jokes aside, the presence of bipods on all the trial guns make me wonder whether those AR design intended to fulfill more of a mg role than smg role.

MKB is earlier irl and ingame, and it being not the best is reasonable, but the STG45 should get an accuracy buff for sure. Also I could very well be wrong but I would assume it would be somewhat realistic as well.

I think the developers didn’t have information on the rate of fire of the early AS 44, so they took the rate of fire of the lightened postwar version (592 rounds per minute). If we talk about balance, the AS 44 with a rate of fire of 500 rounds per minute will be a weak weapon, so it would be quite to leave such a game convention, the USSR in comparison with Germany weak: automatic rifle, tank, machine gun, aviation. The only advantage the USSR has over Germany on 5 BR is the assault weapon. In turn I don’t understand why improve MkB 42 when there is StG 44? The only thing it needs is a bayonet.

No, that’s why the RPS M3 and KB P 310 (RD 44) were further categorized as machine guns, and they did not participate in the assault rifle competition thereafter. So for example the ZK 383 also has a bipod, but to consider it a machine gun would be silly.

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