ZH-29 with a 5 round magazine - A Type Otsu for Germany

The ZH-29 was designed to be used with 5 and, more commonly, and the one we have in game, 10 round magazines, as well as being able to accept 20 round magazines from the ZB26 machine gun. I think that the 5 round version of this rifle could be implemented in game and work well on BR2. The Type Otsu rifle in the Japanese tech tree is essentially a copy of this gun, and has better recoil and a few other stats, and I don’t think I’ve heard any complaints about it. This gun could also accept standard mauser stripper clips, so if using the detachable magazines to reload is too strong, it can still be on BR2 with a slower reload.


Should the ZH-29 (5 rounds) be added?
  • Yes
  • No
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How hould the ZH-29 (5 rounds) be added?
  • TT
  • Event (with squad)
  • Event (without squad)
  • BP
  • Premium
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This at BR2 and change the ZH-29 to BR3 (As well as all other 10rd Semi Autos of all nations for that matter)

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Yes, Germany needs a good semi-automatic in BR2 in TT

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Yep, especially since the Armaguerra is a bit of a let down as a semi auto in comparison to other BR2 semi autos. Also, you forgot to vote yes but only voted for it to be TT :wink:

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Well, i prefer another opinion: Just buff Armaguerra Mod. 39!

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Armaguerra would be perfectly fine if Fedorov 1912 had damage comparable to other TT semi-autos.

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No, Armaguerra always was piece of crap. Any others semi-auto rifle in the game was better, Type Hei and Type Otsy for example.

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Semi-Automatic Rifles Damage Reload Timings (s) Statcard Recoil Effective Recoil Moving Spread Increase
Weapon Name Obtained BR 10m 100m Velocity Magazine Reload Alt Reload Rate of Fire Vertical Horizontal Recoil Control Vertical Horizontal Dispersion While Aiming Hipfiring Visual Recoil Recoil Dir ADS Speed Recoil Offset Sprint Factor Weight Additional Info
Armaguerra Mod. 39 38000 RP II 13.6 11.1 630 6 3.2 3.0 350 72 20 - 72 20 0.21 0.0 15.0 1.3 0.35 0.75 - 100% 4.2 6/48
Type Hei Rifle 74000 RP II 13.9 10.8 660 5 (+1) 3.2 2.6 290 31 20 - 31 20 0.18 0.0 15.0 0.6 0.37 0.75 - 100% 4.1 5/45
Type Otsu Rifle 105000 RP II 13.8 10.8 724.68 5 (+1) 2.3 2.2 420 56 29 100% 56 29 0.18 0.0 15.0 0.75 -0.25 0.75 - 100% 4.5 5/45
M1 Carbine 36000 RP II 8.8 6.8 560 15 (+1) 2.6 2.0 320 48 15 0.3 14 5 0.20 0.0 8.0 0.7 0.3 1.0 0.3 100% 2.4 15/60
Semi-Auto Rifles w/Clip Reload Damage Single Bullet Reload Timings (s) Recoil Moving Spread Increase
Weapon Name Obtained BR 10m 100m Velocity Magazine Reload Rate of Fire Start Loop End Vertical Horizontal Recoil Control Dispersion While Aiming Hipfiring Visual Recoil Recoil Dir ADS Speed Recoil Offset Sprint Factor Weight Additional Info
Fedorov rifle 1912 38000 RP II 15.3 12.5 815 5 2.6 350 0.8 0.6 1.0 81 27 - 0.17 0.0 15.0 1.15 0.3 0.9 - 100% 3.5 5/45

(Fedorov 1912 is “clip reloaded” rifle thus its stats would not align if I pasted it under the others
M1 Carbine will also get a fire rate buff soon too, which is not present on the stats yet).

IDK man, looking at these stats, only one rifle stands out.

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And even from your table, it’s clear that the Armaguer is worse than all the others (except for the M1 carbine, but that’s a unique situation) in almost everything, with rare exceptions, and is, in principle, the worst of all. It’s not the Fedorov rifle that needs a nerf. The Armaguerra needs a buff.

still difference is not that big, buffing Armaguerra to the level of Fedorov 1912 will most likely result in a domino effect with Allies and Japan also asking for buffs for M1 C and Type Hei/Otsu.

Besides BR2 semi-auto rifles shouldnt be straight up better than BR2 bolt-action rifles and while you are free to disagree with me, I feel like that Fedorov rifle is far better than any bolty.

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No need to add such non unique copy paste. Especially since there many more interesting semi rifles from that time period.

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And make more guns into filler? The G41 is bad enough as is, there’s no reason to completely destroy its entire purpose as a midgame weapon.

Buffs for Type Hei and Type Otsy is needed anyway, Japanese are going to fight Soviet.

And can we not change the stripper fed ones To BR or rebalance them in some way? We can make fun things people, not everything needs to be turbo meta people, I enjoy bolties in BRV whenever I play it

You know, does anyone have any actual sources for its use in WW2?

Online Im left in a circular loop where all sources refer to each other, the only credible source I can find is ofc Gun Jesus who talks more about its operation rather than its history.

But yes, I think a ZH-29 with a 5 round box would make a fantastic BR2 event weapon for germany, though I dont think it needs to be added to the TT since we already have the armaguerra which just needs a little buff.

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Type Hei and Type Otsu are great weapons as is, the Fedorov is the only weapon that needs to be balanced.

It makes far more sense to nerf 1 weapon instead of buffing 4.

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The only thing that can be done in that regards is making the reload on the G41 faster but that still wouldn’t make any sort of difference if guns that are better in every way get moved to BR3. The G41 doesn’t have a detachable magazine, the ZH–29 can fit a bayonet and the G43 is reloaded with magazines. With both of those at BR3 there’s literally no reason to ever use the G41 ever again

Welp, there’s always the

route, same as with the MP 38/40 situation, I would use them for my early war loadouts and so, again, not everything has to be a super meta thing, sometimes things can just be as side grades or historical references, it may even just be cheaper or have less sway IDK haha

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M1 carbine got firerate buff in the test server along with vg 1-5

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When 10 rounds ZH on BR3?