VG 1-5 Feels Overly Op

Suggestions Weapons
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Should it be changed

  • move to br 4
  • reduce mag size to 15
  • make full auto making it an smg
  • do nothing its fine
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its been one of those constant sources of head scratching a weapon made for volksturm that can be given to any one almost at br 3 its insanely accurate has a very fast ttk and rof while retaining accuracy with double the mag size of all other semi autos at the br ,mag fed as well so its really fast to reload, you can squad wipe an entire squad rapidly with a single magazine and outshoot most mgs when it gets downteired to br 2 these issues get much worse as the only br 2 semis have 5 round mags

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curious as to why people think its fine when its objectively better than all other semis at its br

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If i am not wrong the other semi autos have more power.

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there less accurate have less ammo while having more recoil and longer reloads and both can usually 2 tap at 9.6 damage the vg still can two tap while most others excluding the kretz will either down in 1 hit or require 2 to kill

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especialy with its insane accuracy ive had entire squads peeled off the street by some guy with a vg 151 with no hope of retaliation as its ttk is so fast

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Okay shorty I’ll have test footage of axis and allied semi autos of br 2 -3 being hip fired tho it speaks for itself a stock vg15 hip fire spammed has the spread of a dinner plate

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Uhh, I don’t think it had full auto capability considering it was a volkstrum rifle, also, no

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axis br 2-3 semis
https://youtu.be/2Z98MHdoI0M vg15 1
https://youtu.be/Gwvt1fdeMas agmerurra mod
https://youtu.be/lg85WTdWFHw pavesi m42

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Allies Br 2-3 semis
https://youtu.be/rUvXuFsbuiU m1 gerand
https://youtu.be/VVagKhQpECI m1 carbine
https://youtu.be/0IjT_fYTRQM Meniur A6

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USSR br 2-3
https://youtu.be/nwvD-812xmo SVT 38
https://youtu.be/iMrXNjkK_5U Fedrov Rifle
https://youtu.be/TGMfWsiQdL4 SVT 30

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somethin outta be done its oppresvive and overly dominant as any non automatic user can have it being able to be really accurate and kill more per mag than any other br 3 semi

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I think this entire topic suffers from a lack of perspective…

All the arguments leveled against the VG 1-5 can also be leveled against the M1 Carbine - one wonders if you even considered other carbine style weapons at all before making this suggestion. That is, all the arguments except the supposed “insane accuracy” - if anything is insane, it’s calling a 0.01 difference in dispersion compared to other semi-autos at BR III “insane”. I wouldn’t mind if the dispersion of the VG was reduced - it is a scrap gun after all, it shouldn’t have better dispersion than actual assault rifles - but it’s curious that there is no option for this in your poll.

“TTK” is also just a fancy term thrown in here without anything to back it up… I seriously doubt the TTK is much different from other semi-auto rifles of its BR, who usually have higher damage and thus much longer effective ranges. TTK would have to also factor in the higher velocity of full-powered rifles, as well as their one-hit potential… across multiple ranges, comparisons against people with and without both vitality and body armour, making the match-up much fairer than you give it credit for, I suspect.

It is also worth to consider that all of the advantages of carbine-style weapons are lost on AI, who just shoot them like regular rifles… they do not rapidly tap out shots like players can do.

Maybe a slight-to-moderate dispersion reduction, and then make all carbine-like weapons (like the US M1) have the same universal-selection ability - I really need my drivers to have M1s. That’s the only thing that should be considered here…

Meanwhile, the poll options are mad. We got:

  • Fake magazine capacity option.

  • Fake fire-selector option.

  • Unwarranted uptier.

Amazing…

This topic is vastly overstated, hyperbolous, and more than a little inaccurate. On top of that, your poll options are ridiculous.

I don’t think it can be said that the VG 1-5 is “objectively better” than all BR III SA rifles. Are they useful…? Yes, but they don’t make regular, higher-damage rifles without a purpose. Is this a more assault-oriented weapon…? Absolutely, but you don’t really get to benefit from that unless you are close enough to leverage your advantages… at ranges where SMGs and MGs will still dominate.

Overall; poorly argued, overwhelmingly subjective, and the proposed solutions are bananas…

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it uses stg mags there are 15 round mags im genuinely tired of how oppressive it is the thing with recoil perks is so much more accurate than anything at or near its br i did a controlled weapons test with all semis of the br and the vg shoots circles around the others

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instead of attacking the post why not offer more effective feedback

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There is no 15-round Mkb-series mag, the devs just dropped the ball and gave the real 10-round mag +5 magic bullets. That should be corrected, not further add to the problem.

Again, it’s not “much more accurate”, did you not read that part…?

Are you using the word “controllable” in place of “accurate”…? Stop doing that. There is no issue with a carbine-style weapon being more easily controllable than a full-powered rifle… that is to be expected.

And, again, the M1 Carbine can be accused of almost everything you mentioned, yet that is somehow fine… and the S&W Light Rifle is arguably even worse, because it’s BR I. If a two-tap 30-rounds is such a problem at BR III, where’s the complaint about a two-tap 20-rounder in BR I…?

I do seriously think you’re not adopting a wide enough perspective on the issue… compare the VG 1-5 to other carbine weapons, not the standard BR III semi-auto rifle…

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I did.

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throwing around alotta big words dosent really help getting points across mahaps consider im new to forum posts here so going off on some big worded reditor tirade is not helpful in the slightest

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did you not watch the clips most other semis had most the magazine miss while the vg had a dinner plate sized dispersion with no recoil with 30 round mags it is increidibly accurate for something mass produced for conscripted civies

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the m1 has half the mag size and a slower rof its not quite as strong with more dispersion

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That’s why the VG 1-5 is a BR higher.

Not true, they’re the same.

That’s why the VG 1-5 is a higher BR…

Also the same…

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