Type Otsu Short Rifle with a 10-round Magazine 🇯🇵

Introduction

Of course, I could have simply posted a picture of the Type Otsu with a 10-round magazine and started a simple “yes or no” poll. However, hoping that someone might actually be interested, I decided to delve deeper into the topic — covering both the magazines themselves and the rifle.

Type Otsu Short Rifle with a 10-round magazine. Source: Courtesy of the Library of Congress.


Type Otsu Short Rifle with a 10-round Magazine

The 10-round Magazine as the Core Concept

It appears that 10-round magazines were regarded as the primary baseline configuration. At the very least, this is indicated by the fact that the Type Ko rifle featured a non-detachable 10-round magazine and was developed by the Kokura Army Arsenal — the same entity responsible for formulating the requirements and conducting the trials. To add further detail, additional arguments supporting this theory are presented below.

In the draft oral report of the Chief of the Technical Bureau of the Imperial Japanese Army, prepared for the Imperial Inspection of Armament Samples in 1935 (Special Annex No. 16; JACAR document code C13071087600), 10-round magazines are mentioned exclusively. The document provides the following details regarding automatic (self-loading) rifles:

“Automatic rifles were developed and manufactured as trial prototypes of three types, intended to increase firepower and serve for sniping in infantry and cavalry combat, as well as for self-defense in other arms of service. All of them are capable of firing rifle service cartridges from a 10-round magazine with automatic chambering of a cartridge with each pull of the trigger. In terms of combat performance, they occupy roughly an intermediate position between an infantry rifle and a cavalry carbine. Which of these three types is the most suitable for service in the Imperial Army will depend on the results of further testing and consideration.”

In the report on the results of general winter armament trials in Northern Manchuria dated February 17, 1937 (Trial Issue No. 6; JACAR document code C01003230500), the verdict on automatic (self-loading) rifles was stated as follows:

“Overall functionality and firing reliability at temperatures around minus 30 degrees Celsius were recognized as consistently good, and the weapons were deemed suitable for practical use. No malfunctions in the feeding mechanism related to spring weakening [due to cold weather] were recorded. As for the magazine system: the Type Hei sample, which features a protruding box magazine, is inconvenient during aiming (holding the rifle) and carrying; therefore, the Type Ko was deemed more preferable for practical service.”

Initially, this conclusion by the trial committee seemed questionable to me. However, it makes much more sense when considering that the Type Hei rifle was tested with a 10-round magazine — which protruded significantly from the receiver on this model and could easily cause inconvenience during handling.


Type Otsu Short Version

As you may know, for the automatic rifle design competition, Tokyo Gas and Electric engineers decided to adapt the basic ZH-29 design for the standard Japanese 6.5mm cartridge. The project was led by engineer Uchikoshi under Major General Naito. According to Japanese requirements, all three competition types were developed in two variants — literally “long” and “short”. The rifle currently represented in the game is specifically the long version of the Type Otsu.

Type Otsu rifle in the game.

For the sake of variety, the 10-round Type Otsu could be introduced specifically in this shortened configuration. Below is precisely such a version equipped with this magazine, taken from a Japanese album, along with a comparison table showing the specifications of the other rifles:

Type Otsu Short Rifle with a 10-round magazine. Source: Courtesy of the Library of Congress.

Specifications / Rifle Type Type Ko Type Otsu Type Hei Type 38 Rifle
Weight (including loaded magazine), kg 4.250 4.220 4.090 4.200
Caliber, mm 6.5 6.5 6.5 6.5
Overall length, m 1.060 1.080 1.060 1.276
Muzzle velocity, m/s 735 725 740 762
Rate of fire, rounds/min approx. 30 approx. 30 approx. 30
Max. firing range, m approx. 3500 approx. 3500 approx. 3500 4000
Magazine type Rotary (drum) non-detachable Box magazine Box magazine
Operating principle Recoil-operated Gas-operated Combined gas and recoil

Note: The table provides data specifically for the short versions of the rifles. Data sourced from the draft oral report of the Chief of the Technical Bureau of the Imperial Japanese Army, prepared for the Imperial Inspection of Armament Samples in 1935 (Special Annex No. 16; JACAR document code C13071087600). The weight of the 10-round magazine itself is 190 grams, as mentioned in Jiro Sayama’s work “Introduction to Rifles, Handguns, and Machine Guns” (小銃拳銃機関銃入門).


Additional Photos

Photos

Type Otsu Short Rifle (overall view right). Serial number: «3». Source: Rock Island Auction Company (RIAC)

Type Otsu Short Rifle (overall view left). Serial number: «3». Source: Rock Island Auction Company (RIAC)

Type Otsu Short Rifle (top view). Serial number: «3». Source: Rock Island Auction Company (RIAC)


Reloading

The Type Otsu rifle currently in the game features an inaccurate reload animation. The soldier manually cycles the charging handle, even though the bolt should be released from the bolt stop simply by pressing the trigger. This is precisely how it operates on the ZH-29 (which is already in the game!), upon which the Type Otsu was based. Ian McCollum also explains this in a video on Forgotten Weapons:


Poll

Add the Type Otsu rifle with a 10-round magazine?
  • Yes
  • No
0 voters
Which version would you prefer to see?
  • Short version (as proposed)
  • Long version (as in-game)
  • Both options
0 voters
Where would you like to see this weapon?
  • Tech Tree
  • Event — Standalone Weapon
  • Event — Squad Weapon
  • Battle Pass
  • Premium Squad
0 voters

Sources

Sources

「Separate Volume No.16 Telling Draft of Explanations for Materials in the Presence of the Emperor (Type A and B Drafts) (1)」JACAR (Japan Center for Asian Historical Records)Ref.C13071087600、Telling Draft of Explanations for Materials in the Presence of the Emperor September 1935(National Institute for Defense Studies of the Ministry of Defense)

Jiro Sayama’s book “Introduction to Rifles, Handguns, and Machine Guns” (小銃拳銃機関銃入門). Tokyo : Shio Shobo Kojinsha, 2008. — 451 p. — ISBN 978-4-7698-2284-4.

Rock Island Auction Company. Tokyo Gas and Electric Co. Prototype Rifle. Lot № 3302.

試製小銃類・自動小銃類・機関短銃類 (Shisei shōjūrui, jidō shōjūrui, kikan tanjūrui) — Library of Congress, Asian Reading Room: CLC U21 no. 5752 Japan.


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Love the Type Otsu, would be great to have this 10 round version in the Japanese TT.

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Uf this is added to the BR3, japan will be fun to play

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Br 4 unless its load time is 25% slower than the garand

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Reminding everyone that Japan DOES NOT have any br4 semi auto yet…

Oh, that would do nicely, if it’s not br3. (Then Japan would need anotherwhich I’m also fine with)

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Type Otsu(10)as TT, Type Otsu short rifle(10) as event weapons would be ideal.Just like the Mp 35

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We already have the Shenyang Arsenal ZH-29 for BR 4, which has already been noted. The Type Otsu (10) is ideal for BR3 due to it’s low damage.

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So it takes 2 body hugs to down a soldier cause otherwise low damage is meaningless
If the garand and otsu both down in one body shot
The garand has 8 mag vs otsu 10
And the otsu has an equal or bette reload. it’s just a better gun

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I guess we are omitting the fact that the Johnson has 10 rounds with full damage and crazy reload, and also the fact that the winchester 1907 has 20 rounds with the same damage as Ostu and still has a decent reload.

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Japan TT needs a few more options in the TT. Good find.

I’m voting for the short version only as I would hope to have some tradeoffs between that and the Type 4.

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Absolutely beautiful suggestion as always!! I truly do hope this will end up in the tech tree and possibly be suitable enough for BR4 in retrospect to the Type 4 being brought down to BR3.

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yes, please

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Thanks for the topic, noted

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