Type 2 (6.5mm) Magazine & BR

Hello everyone, whilst I am very excited about Japan getting an assault rifle of domestic design it’s come to my attention there are some concerning details and statistics about the weapon, much of said worries have been put in replies to the new firearm on both the EN and RU forum.

I’m here to simply bring forth the concerns in a proper suggestion post as recommended to do so; I shall digress.


In Game Preliminary Stats


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As we can see from the provided preliminary statistics of the new assault rifle it notably has a damage of 9.4 with a magazine capacity of 20 rounds. Currently it is placed in BR5. This might be a bit surprising to see considering such a small mag capacity and with such damage, especially when compared to other firearms like the BR 3 Thompson 30 as shown below ↓
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Realistically both of these firearms are performing about the same as one another yet there’s a difference of 2 BRs.


What does the Real life Technical data say?


Upon review of some of the limited information available about the Nambu Model 2 Ko assault rifle, (or Type 2 6.5mm as it’s called in game), particularly that of the “ORDNANCE TECHNICAL INTELLIGENCE REPORT NUMBER 19 Office of the Chief Ordnance Officer GHQ, AFPAC ΤΟΚΥΟ, JAPAN” It’s reported to have been a magazine capacity of 30 rounds.
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Additionally as an addendum in regards to the Nambu Model 2 Ko Assault Rifle’s appearance, it should be taken into consideration that the real version of the rifle as we understand it did not have a bayonet lug, nor did it have the cutouts of the barrel shroud typical of the Type 2 Model 1 chambered in 8mm.

We only know of such thanks to a photo of the muzzle end of the assault rifle being posted by Twitter User JGSDF 2aagp 305aco
(@ 305aco). They apparently do have a full photo of the firearm but they’re yet to share it unfortunately.

So for now this is what we have. ↓
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Additionally we do have an artist rendition of the weapon based on the limited information and characteristics about the weapon, of which was also improved and refined by forum user @_DELAVR


Please note that this is showing the slide in action reciprocating the barrel shroud backwards along with the bolt


Battle Rating & Balance Changing


I believe considering the real world data available for the weapon, it should at the very least have it’s magazine capacity increased to the realistic capacity of 30 rounds.

As for the BR, If there is to be no increase of capacity I think it’s sensible to lower the gun to at least BR4 and possibly even BR3 mostly due to the low capacity; particularly when drawn into comparison with the other firearms Japan has to offer from BR3 and up. Examples being: Sig 1920/30, Type 2 Model 1 and Tokyo Arsenal all having 50 rounds per mag.

Additionally if other characteristics like the bayonet was to be removed to be more accurate, I believe it also furthers arguments of lowering the BR. As for the barrel shroud and whatever else may be inaccurate it might be best to wait until we have a full photo so we don’t have to update the model twice or more.



Closing Statement


Finally I’d like to say thank you especially to @_DELAVR who’s done a wonderful job of digging up what info there is about the rifle and other contributors. I’d also like to draw your attention to a post of his on the RU forum in particular about the rifle, of which I referenced a good bit of my post from.

I’d also like to thank the Devs for their work in the upcoming update and the helpers for their communication about the characteristics of the new weapon and the forwarding of information to the development team.

And thank you to everyone else talking about the Type 2 (6.5mm) and your concerns on the forum.

With much love :crossed_flags::japanese_ogre:


Type 2 (6.5mm) balance/BR Poll


  • BR shifted down to 3 mag = 20
  • BR shifted down to 4 mag = 20
  • BR retained but mag ↑ 30
  • BR shifted down to 4 & mag ↑ 30
  • Kept as is, No changes.
  • Something else (comment below)
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I definitely want it to have 30 rounds. But I don’t know if it should be br 4 or 5.

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BR III, for high BR there could be an event with captured Fedorovs

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I expected higher damage for something firing 6.5mm Arisaka.

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I don’t think I can judge how good the gun is right now but I feel like an assault rifle with a 30 round magazine and only 14 recoil in both axis would be insanely powerful.

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First, change the magazine to 30 and keep the BR 5.
In the case of Thompson .30, in BR3 is OP.
No weapon in BR3 can beat Thompson .30.
Mkb.42 15 was added for fight to it.

Thompson .30 still doesn’t have a weapon to beat this in BR4 even if it’s changed to BR4.

I think that the damage should be buffed as well, considering how much more powerful the 6.5mm Arisaka round is compared to 8mm Nambu I think that a damage increase of 3 was not enough. But the magazine increase to 30 is the most important change they need to make.

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The Mkb 15 round deserves to be BR2 tbh

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30-round mag, maybe buff dmg / dispersion and stay at BR5, I’m fine with no bayonet if it’s more accurate to the document.

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Well, no.
To be honest, Mkb42 is better than Mkb35.
Damage doesn’t mean much because of + HP35% perk,
Because what’s more important is ROF.
That’s why Mkb42 is a little better than Mkb35.

Type 95 6.5×30mm*, a shortened version of the 6.5x50mm Arisaka. Had similar performance to the .30 carbine.

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That makes more sense, gracias

Well the BR can easily be changed but the mag better be 30 and can stay at BR V and be moved to BR IV if its too bad if it has 20 round magazine its gonna be just bad like very bad…

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This is a completely fictional appearance and weapon. Since that’s the case, why not just be used the drum or a belt? Anyway, let that Japanese designer redraw it. That’s what they’re best at.

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It’s not fake 4 of them were made and tested.

Show the evidence

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Oh, I completely forgot about it. Compared to the Thompson .30, the new Nambu assault rifle looks very absurd.

I wrote to him asking if he had plans to publish the full photo this year (and another forum member wrote later, too), but he replied that he was having computer problems. About half a year has passed and nothing has been published, so I don’t think we’ll be seeing a new photo soon :disappointed_relieved:.


And yes, this is an excellent topic!

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TBF the thompson 30 cal is better than all br 3 smgs and most br 4 smgs. but yeah the stats definitely seem undertuned. Mag increase and better shot dispersion would be great

An excerpt from Jiro Sayama’s book on technical requirements for weapons.


«The main design requirements for the Nambu Model 2 Ko were as follows:

  • using a special 6.5 mm caliber cartridge;
  • ossessing sufficient power;
  • ​a weight of no more than 3 kg without the magazine;
  • ​a magazine capacity of at least 30 rounds;
  • the penetrating effect had to be effective against a soldier in winter clothing at a distance of 700 meters.»

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Voting “Something else” – cancel this weapon.

Since no Japanese soldier ever held it in his hands in WW2.

Concept guns should never be in TT imo.