and the Su85 has many weakspots, making it so even Panzer III J can pearce it. So in terms of similarity to the panzer IV H, it trades a turret for slightly less weakspots, even though there are still many.
Which SU BR3 tanks struggles with GE BR3 tanks ? For what exactly is the SU needed in BR3 ?
With bit of aiming the SU BR3 tanks can deal with even BR4 tanks and unlike J1 vs KV the SU tanks are capable of ohk.
Something being “Iconic” is hardly a reason for downtiering.
Applies to KV that caused nothing but issues.
I bet that made sense in your head.
Dunno, atleast I know the weakspots where to aim with BR3 tanks.
While you sure do know every spot where you can do indirect fire with sig and be OP but source trustmebrah.
I like how you brought up an AT rifle in this very theoretical situation. What are the odds are that you’d seen an AT rifle on BR 5, let alone on BR 3? it’s not zero but i’d say that from my experience, i only see them like, 1 out of 20 games when some clueless player brought it up on high BR and try to hit KT with it. What’s even more hilarious is that if it’s BR 2, then you’d see more BR 1 players with AT rifles(Since these are all BR 1 now)than Sturmpanzer being on BR 3. Doesn’t that make Sturmpanzer 2 more Survival on high BR then? Are you actually trying to do a bad faith argument here? Because it just feels like… illogical and actually trying to downplay so hard on the effectiveness of Sturmpanzer 2 to me.
I think i had only shot by an infantry like 2-3 times thru the openings on my Sturmpanzer 2 after numerous game i’ve played and those were when i tried my luck and drove closer to the cap point more than i should have. Are you trying to say this is a common occurrence just to die on the hill which is that “Sturmpanzer 2 is shit”?
See this is the problem with the forum. Rage baiting morons like tusu get encouraged by the system instead of actual good takes since activity is encouraged over player consensus
Point being that even the worst AT weapons can take it out.
From any direction.
Not sure how more advanced HE spam & weapons make sturm more survivable in high BR.
You dont even need to snipe thru openings, the “gunner” crew sits higher than the front plate.
Sure, your driver is relatively save but cant do much if rest of your crew is dead.
with a bot of aiming the J1 also can deal with KV. Besodes, why are you argumenting on ‘is not needed’? Who cares? What if I want to be a soviet Stug 3 G, huh? What then?