It’s okay bro.
Admitting your mistake isn’t embarrassing thing but the otherwise is tho. 
Effective thickness is entirely dependent on shell type. As someone who’s played this tabk plenty and war thunder as well as against it I can tell you right now that that thing is not being penned by American 75 ever lol. Maybe by the improved Russian 76 within 150 but even that’s rare.
You do understand that works both ways ?
Theres 0 need for SU that has arguably best BR3 lineup to have even better equipment “incase of uptier”
Thats kinda the entire point of the game, progress and get better equipment.
Rather than stick to BR3 because you can sealclub in case of BR2-3 and still fight quite equally against BR4.
No it does not work both ways here because you are blatantly biased for this, not even by small margin.
Multiple people here already pointed out your contradictions here aren’t they? You don’t want to SU-85 to be BR 3 because it’s BR 4 gun while ignoring all other factors because why so? Because, you think that Soviet BR 3 is so so good in your mind that you think it doesn’t need any more stuff on BR 3 even tho the said stuff will never be the meta. If i were to guess, you just don’t like the idea of Soviet faction getting even the average stuff at best rather than your precious Germany. Tribalism basically.
If anyone thinks that SU-85 would even be remotely good or would be used a lot at BR 3 is delusional. You give up an armor(Yes the sloped 45mm armor on SU-85 has less angle than T-34 so it will get penetrated by even BR 2 75mm gun HEAT from Panzer 4 F1 as we all talked here already), Working turret, Any sort of MG be it coaxial or external one for 85mm gun alone. At best, it would be a niche vehicle that you would put in your roster just in case of might be BR 4 uptier(Just like you putting Marder on BR 2 rostor for BR 3 uptier. Hell, do you want Marder to be on BR 3 as well because you know, the gun is pretty good?)otherwise, why would you even use this thing over T-34 or KV-1 on BR 3?
Also remember what you actually tried do on Sturmpanzer 2 to look bad. Oh but ofc, it’s an open top vehicle it’s so so different and suffering from everything even AT rifle can kill it. Dude, how many times have you actually killed in game because you were driving an open top vehicle. Except the big enough near miss bomb detonated close enough to me, i basically never got killed by just being an open top vehicle when i drove them. The most stuff that actually killed me was 1. Other tank sneaked up on me while i was busy spamming HE on enemy infantry 2. Airplane bombed me 3. Infantry hand held AT launcher attack from afar. So basically, mainly the same reasons that you’d get killed while driving an enclosed tanks.
And you keep fixated about the 85mm gun is BR 4. The fact is that, if we are talking about the gun alone(The same logic you keep applying only to SU-85 here), Sturmpanzer 2 or even stuff like Flak bus with 88mm shouldn’t be on BR 3. But some how, you never mentions that. No no no no, you actually thinks that Sturmpanzer 2 is suffering because it’s become BR 3 from BR 2. You still think that you are actually being fair here? I hope not. You really need some time for self-reflection bro.
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Dunno, suggestion is to buff arguably the best BR3 faction even further.
That sounds reasonable and well balanced.
For above mentioned reason, by far strongest BR3 faction, definitely doesnt need to be stronger in that regard.
Never said that either, just no reason to add BR4 grade stuff to BR3.
Then its irrelevant even if its in BR4.
Its just as iconic there as its in BR3 and obviously remains un-used as you said.
One could question why even add it then ?
It takes some mental gymnastics to pull the victim card with BR3 soviet lineup.
What exactly did I ask for GE ?
If sig has BR3 gun because KV2 but no armor, with what logic SU BR4 gun with less armor is BR3 equivalent ?
Sounds bit hypocrite dont you think ?
Then we dont need to add it to BR3.
Which effectively does deal against uptier tanks, something the rest of BR3 tanks struggles with.
PZ IV requires just as much pixel sniping against jumbos as T34-1941 against panthers.
It was BR3 wasnt it ? And downtiered after another ridiculous “Iconic” KV downtiering.
Pretty sure I pointed out it has BR1 equivalent armor, infact BR0 armor.
Relatively often, as its not only open top but crew sits above the side armors.
So even the rogue fragments of bombs & tank shells are capable to kill part of crew.
Something I dont recall happening very often with tanks with armor.
Your entire argument towards adding a BR4 gun to BR3 is the bad armor.
Yet, this doesnt apply to SU ?
Hypocrite much ?
Event & premium -/- TT vehicle.
But for all I care, uptier both of them along KV’s.
Sig is good regardless absolute non-existent armor.
SU is horrible because bad armor.
What are these double standards of yours ?
Yes, Sherman with 75mm will not be able to penetrate it at all.
Enhanced 76mm gun on such as T-34E STZ will be able to penetrate it if it’s close range but even then the chances are low. Jagdpanzer 4 does have a pretty good armor on BR 3 against conventional medium tanks for sure. Would need more specialized gun on BR 3 in order to penetrate it. Such as 76mm gun from M10 for example.
What’s interesting is however tho, that M8 Scott has a good chance to penetrate the Jagdpanzer 4. It’s a common theme for tanks heavily relies on angled armor gets defeated by HEAT spam.
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Arguably the best BR 3 faction in the game. By whom? You?
Soviet is quite strong faction on BR 3 but not the best. Not even close. In your biased mind sure maybe?
Nope i don’t think so.
Very poorly constructed argument for not adding contents in the game isn’t it? Also don’t try to be dishonest. Like come on. Everyone knows what you are trying to do here.
I don’t know. why are you even asking that to me? Ask the Darkflow that why they are keep adding the irrelevant stuff(In your standard and logic)then. Also i didn’t say anything about iconic.
It takes some serious mental gymnastics to use AT rifle to argue that Sturmpanzer 2 is shit and try to babysit muh precious germonii.
Wdym KV-2 but no armor. You conveniently forgets that the Sturmpanzer 2 reloads much, MUCH faster than KV-2? With actually more powerful HE than 152mm HE. ofc you do. Also funny that out of all the people here that you are the one trying to use the word hypocrisy. 
Also yes because 150mm(As long as it’s germoni, soviet 152mm so so OP!!)=85mm gun in your logic ofc.
Yes? what of it. It’s almost as if we don’t have any TD types with guns that would actually works against +1 BR. Funny how you only trying to play victim when it only comes to your precious germonii.
Pretty sure i explained that why the armor doesn’t matter much for Sturmpanzer 2 case.
Maybe that’s because you were so carelessly drove it like a regular tank then because i never gotten killed like that. Or it could be simply just a skill issue.
You got it wrong tho. My argument was not only the armor but the lack of turret and lack of coaxial MG if you were actually cared to read. But i guess it just slipped thru your hypocritic biased mind without any sense of fairness(Unless it’s germoniii ofc!) in this subject matter whatsoever.
Nope that shitty logic doesn’t work or shouldn’t be the standard when it comes to the balancing no matter how much badly you want to believe in because we can’t ignore them just because they are premium. Especially when we having this conversation for the sake of balancing. That’s not how it works.
Yes because 85mm=150mm in your logic. Incredible isn’t it? It’s almost as if that someone got so fixated on Tribalism logic that to the point where any objectivity and fairness left the body and only filled with bias for his favorite faction.
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All in all, completely waste of time. Like i said before, i won’t clutter this post anymore with someone so messed up with Tribalism & Victim play with bad faith argument. I regret that i even replied this much by getting baited by you after i said that i won’t clutter this post anymore. This time, for real.
you are free to name better one.
US ? Sovjets dont fight them
JP ? Really ?
Let me pretend how shocked iam from that totally objective and not at all biased claim.
Never was against adding it.
Just to correct BR which would be the BR4.
Sturmpanzar bestestest regardless the worst of kind AT rifle can take it out.
SU85 absolute shit becuc bad armor.
Right.
And conveniently we forget here that KV’s can rather peacefully stand still on edge of greyzone due to armor.
And, being arguably one of the hardest tanks to take out as infantry in the game due to requiring specific spots.
Gotcha, its the gun. But due to lack of armor we disregard that since it doesnt exactly fit your bias doesnt it ?
Are you even serious anymore ?
So technically SIG is fine because you would do nothing but sit in greyzone as for obvious reason, lack of armor you cant do much else.
But with SU I guess you are driving to middle of cap point where its “poor” armor justifies the BR4 gun ?
So you are now dodging fragments by driving with sig but you cant do shit with SU because bad armor?
Yeah, im the biased here.
Right, both which are found on sig.
And obviously, lack of turret & mg is massive downside to SU, because you simply cant use it like sig at greyzone because of added armor you just need to drive it like attendee of lake tardicaca ?
There is relatively massive differency between having a chance to meet premium / event squad in 1/10 ? 1/20 games ? 1/50 games ? Than having fair chance of meeting TT equipment that anyone can obtain.
You do know that ?
150mm is a BR3 gun since its on KV.
85mm is BR4.
Your argument to add BR4 gun to BR3 is bad armor.
But bad armor doesnt apply to SIG.
I like your LogIkC
Hightier guns are fine in low BR as long as it benefits SU.
GE guns cant be lower.
“I see event sigs left and right all good”
“Yeah trustmebrah i totally wont even use the BR4 gun in BR3”
“SU has so shit armor it cant survive anything”
“Yeah my man I dodge HE fragments with SIG its so amazing”
Yeah. “Im fair and objective”
Guys, everything that needs to be said really has been said. Do you really need to keep on with this hour long dialogue?
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No i’m done here. Good thing that at least the majority of playerbase actually not being a slave to this petty tribalism between factions and uses their common sense and voted accordingly.
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when germany mains argue, they argue about br3 soviet tanks from the perspective of br2 german tanks, alright, why cant we argue about br4 german tanks from the perspective of br3 soviets?
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Because soviet Br 3 tanks are exceptional even in BR 3.
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Bait
Probably because KV’s were downtiered from BR4 to 3 for “iconic” reason or what ever ridiculous reason.
GE BR2 tanks struggles quite a bit with it, GE grind thru BR1-3 takes by far more time due to absolute cluster fk amount of useless unlocks.
Its a massive burden even without having to face sealclubbing KV’s that are one of the hardest tanks to take out due to specific weakspots for infantry & tanks.
GRB while it can do the job takes quite a bit more effort to use than Zooka.
J1 that can pen kv hardly ever can one shot KV due to absolute trash post pen.
Would also point that PZ3N was moved to BR3 because SU / US had slight difficulties to pen it.
Apparently same doesnt apply to soviet KV’s.
All this while the BT7 BR1 tank can actually pen rather easily most tanks all the way to BR3.
From GE or SU BR3 perspective, both requires aiming to specific weakspots when uptiered against BR4.
PZ IV has just as much difficulties against Jumbo as SU has against GE panthers.
Which is another worthy mention due to fact that GE faces US as well.
Anyway, soviet BR3 tanks can deal with BR4 just as much as GE tanks can.
And as mentioned already, the SU BR3 is ridiculously capable to compete with uptier and even more ridiculously OP when downtiered.
This is absolutely last BR for SU that needs even more powercreep.
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First BR 4 is kinda rare and mostly did not exist for most of the post merge period since it was almost always stuffed into BR 5 so why limit yourself to BR 4 then if you will play BR 5 redardless.
Only after the last few major have i noticed BR 4 somewhat gaining relevancy.
And secondly if you really cared the KV 2 and T-34-57 or panzerfaust do exist which do can pen BR 4.
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Master baiter #2 has arrived
Only because of their massive post pen damage combined with Panzer IV having only 50mm of easy to hit turret armor.
Imagine a German BR3 TT tank like a STUG - less weakspots and overall 80mm of armor would get Soviet tanks to struggle quite a bit because their penetration is actually very poor for BR3.
Panzer IV J has 140mm of penetration
KV1 only has 77mm.
Well jumbo isnt really a fair comparison these days anymore - yes Jumbo has pretty much BR5 armor, but a terrible gun for BR4, also its ammo rack for some reason is blowing up just by looking at it, which makes it even worse when its MG weakspot is for what ever reason super easy to penetrate - other vehicle MG or view ports are very unreliable to penetrate. There really isnt much reason to use the BR4 jumbo when you have good 76mm Shermans, unless you specifically want to bully lower BR tanks.
More Soviet players would pick those and would stop bringing low BR bully tanks like KV1 if they would face German BR4 more often.
KV2 and T34-57 can fight BR4 Panthers and Tigers - while I still hope Soviets would get regular SU85 on BR3 one day.
But again, in my experience, BR3 players very very rarely get moved to BR4 matches, because BR4 matches dont really seem to exist right now.