And for exactly what is it needed ?
lol
Atp the best course of action is to stop and grab the 
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Panzer 4 & T-28 could be taken out by AT rifle too, does that make them automatically shit vehicle to you as well?
So how does that somehow prove that the Sturmpanzer 2 is a bad tank again?
So how does that somehow prove that the Sturmpanzer 2 is a bad tank again?
What are you even talking about? You brought a theoretical AT rifle argument first not me. I pointed out that your weird AT rifle talking point by pointing out that you’d basically never see an AT rifle on BR 3 and higher than on BR 2. And you sudddenly, again, out of all the stuff out there for some reason brought SF into this. Honestly incredible.
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To be completely honest here, I dont remember a single time i would have died to ptrd frontally with PZ4.
You mean the fact that anything can kill it ?
Like the fact that anything can kill it ?
What exactly are you struggling to understand that sig literally can be taken out across the map with AT rifle frontally ?
IF the worst, absolute worst AT weapon you can imagne. The AT rifle is enough to kill sig across the map.
With what logic you expect to more advanced AT weapons to struggle with it ?
Even simple moist nugget can snipe the majority of crew of sig.
And for some odd reason you consider it survive better in BR5, where the moist nugget is switched to AVT.
99% of my matches are playing Germany btw.
And the reason why SU85 should get added to BR3 is specifically because it is a cool and iconic tank destroyer and current very similar BR4 version is not used players because its bad, in BR3 however it could be effective without being OP.
I have argued for Jagdpanzer IV L48 to be moved to BR3 because I think it was a shame that no Jagdpanzer version was viable to be used. I argued with people and changed my mind, 60mm of highly angled armor is way too much for BR3. Now they moved L70 down to BR4 and I wont have a need to see L48 getting buffed - at least one version is playable now - good.
I want the same for SU85, just to see this vehicle being actually used.
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Exactly bro. I don’t remember ever died to PTRD in my Sturmpanzer 2 as well. So what’s up with your weird AT rifle argument again?
Yes so does almost every other open top vehicles. Does that make them ALL bad?
Like the fact that that applies for the most of open top vehicles as well?
No no, i’m not struggling to understand the fact that it has a paper armor therefore it could get killed by an AT rifle. I’m pointing out the fact that you used an AT rifle out of all the examples you could have made out there. I can see that you used AT rifle to maximize your attempt at look Sturmpanzer 2 really bad, which i think you being hilariously dishonest here and i think everyone can see what you are trying to do here. Never have i gotten killed by an AT rifle in my entire Sturmpanzer 2 play time of enlisted and probably a very rare occurrence in enlisted in general. Especially the fact that Sturmpanzer 2 is BR 3. And since you’ve been so fixated about it being BR 3 makes it somehow, a bad tank, i pointed out that you’d see less scary scary AT rifle on BR 3 than on BR 2. Was it too hard to understand for you?
You really struggles to comprehend and interact with what you said before aren’t you?
All in all, it is very clear that you are very into a bad faith argument and i know the fact that arguing with someone like that is a total waste of time and i won’t clutter this post anymore with that. Have fun.
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Wasnt this iconic crap the reason why KV’s were downtiered and absolutely fked up everything ?
It is horrible reason to do anything.
SU is the last faction that needs stronger BR3, thats a fact.
i keep on nearly getting baited by how stupid this guys “points” are then I remember all the other ones and realize no on with a brain will listen to this guy. So what’s the point
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And thats the detail you are not seeing - it will have less armor than KV1 or T34 STZ while have the same firepower against BR2 and BR3, because unlike T34 57, all Soviet BR3 tank one hit kill all German tanks up to Panther because of their massively OP post pen damage. The ONLY thing that a SU85 will change is that BR3 players will be able to trade their infantry support and overall effectiveness for more reliable penetration at long range, and being able to fight German BR4.
I dont see how this would have any negative effect to the game at all.
I will say one thing tho.
Panzer IV L48 gun currently has still poor post pen damage - at least compared to T34 85mm guns.
So saying Panzer IV L48 is a BR4 gun is somewhat unfair of a statement. Post pen damage matters, even though it really shouldn’t as much as it does right now.
As such STUGIII F with 50mm of armor and the L43 gun ( slightly weaker than L48 ) in BR2 is fair game, SU85 in BR3 would have a better gun and better armor ( basically 90mm of effective armor, cuz 45mm angled like T34)
That being said, I actually want to see STUG IIIF being moved to BR2 for the same I would like to see a SU85 in BR3 - again, because those are very iconic WW2 vehicles and should have their uses.
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So you’re constantly whining because of the fact that germany doesn’t have a good armor tank, yet you’re rejecting one to be added? You are mental.
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So granting even better chance to fight against BR4 which is already by far best from all factions is not a un-necessary buff exactly how ?
Completely disagree with this, Soviet BR3 vehicles getting uptiered to BR4 is pretty much the only real weakness the faction has right now, outside of IS2 needing forever to reload.
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Looks like blud just don’t want to something be added for soviets, and that’s all…
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You can disagree all you want but its exactly same pixel aiming for iv G or stug against jumbos & IS.
Just like T34-1941 has to pixel aim GE BR4 tanks.
Your suggestion changes this entirely. SU BR3 lineup is already by far stronger than GE.
You can still choose the KV for sealclubbing or you can take the SU-85 and sacrifice some armor but can easily fight any tanks of its own BR and top of that uptier.
Dont mind at all, just to correct BR which is 4.
That’s what exactly this guy has been doing and you can clearly see that by his talking “points”. There are multiple people who only runs their logic on Tribalism in this forum. This guy is one of them(In this case, simping for germany only)and they don’t/can’t/refuse to see topic like this objectively. Won’t hesitate to make a bad faith argument as long as it fits their narrative. All that matters to them is whether it belongs to their favorite faction or not. I bet this guy never ever refused to add stuff from Germany(Wouldn’t be so hard to look at his previous post and reply)even if it were to be added at absurdly low BR when their actual performance clearly needed to be put on higher BR.
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I think people overestimating the frontal armor of Jagdpanzer 4.
60mm in 50 degree sloped armor is great but not something crazy on BR 3.
I’ll present you some example here.
At an impact angle of 48, it’s providing roughly 89mm of effective thickness(This is not the absolute number and can be further modified by the type of shell hit the armor but let’s keep it this way for now)
Let’s take a look at the medium tank on the same BR, T-34E STZ.
T-34E STZ offering 15 + 45mm of armor angled at 60 degree protection on BR 3, which is much more than Jagdpanzer 4 already. And this can be further enchanced by angling the hull towards incoming fire since it has a working turret and good angled side armor. Turret is relatively less armored but if you actually take a look at the turret, it’s much narrow and small than other T-34 turrets, actually offering a great bounce chances.
As for against infantry hand held AT launchers, take a look at this.
Even the weakest(in terms penetration)BR 3 AT launcher weapon, that is M9 Bazooka will have no problem penetrating it. Against BR 2 AT launchers, it would provide a great protection on frontal armor. But so does the most of BR 3 tanks like KV-1, Sherman 105mm etc etc when downtiered to BR 2. I think this is a reasonably armored vehicle to be put on BR 3 considering that it’s turretless.
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Just stop already, comparing a very unreliable potential weakspot to direct armor is not fooling anyone here.
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I didn’t compare it to the very unreliable potential weakspot. Care to elaborate further? Where did i do that? Have you actually looked into the armor profile on Jagdpanzer 4?
Oh, i think i get it. You thought that the driver port on Jagdpanzer 4 has a detailed damage model on it without slope, didn’t you? You actually didn’t look into the armor profile of Jagdpanzer 4 in detail then.
They didn’t model is correctly and it’s considered as just 60mm sloped armor. So there you go.
Actually, that specific part on Jagdpanzer 4 provides more protection because
There’s optic module behind it. It’s not much but it does provide more protection. So was it me trying to “fooling everyone” or it was actually you who were fooling around?
Stop wasting my time.
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