Thank you devs for giving me the incentive to cut all ties with this game

[TARD-Spetsnaz]

Every person has a breaking point, and if you’ll push long enough, you’ll eventually find it. Yesterday’s events did exactly that and I actually want to thank the devs for giving me the incentive to uninstall the game and be done with it once and for all. I don’t know if any of you played The Godfather, it was one of my favourite games, and it had an awesome mechanic where you could extort shopkeepers for a monthly fee, but if you would get greedy and pushed too far, they’d break and go mental, and no amount of sweet talk would remediate that situation.

When the devs shift all the blame on the players and punish them based on indirect and therefore flawed evidence, and assume that said players could have gotten X amount of kills only by blocking the AI from reaching the cap points (https://i.imgur.com/mlVWJaw.jpg), when they say stupid things like “10 out of 10 criminals are innocent” (pro-tip: do a quick Google search to see how many wrongfully convicted persons were actually innoncent, some of them were even executed then proven innocent after their deaths) and you prove them wrong but they do nothing to remediate the situation (Enlisted), when they use the good old “divide and conquer” tactic and launch a “great patriotic war” against the vile “exploiters” by appealing to the mob mentality and painting them into evil creatures that devour children, you’ll have to either suck it up or cut all ties, and I’m tired of sucking it up. I’m tired of seeing this game being destroyed every single time they release an update (which fixes 1 thing and breaks 10), I’m tired of complaining about it and looking like I’m always unsatisfied, and most of all, I’m tired and sickened just thinking at the amount of posts & topics I would have been forced to make if I would have stuck around and dealt with their greedy and shady tactics.

Just to make things clear, the rollback had almost no effect on my account, it dealt the same damage as a mosquito bite, but it’s the principle that counts and I can’t let that go. Like I said before, I have already finished all campaigns weeks before the custom games were even introduced, I had no use for campaign XP or bronze cards (I owned everything I could possibly want), and the only reason I even played those silly custom games was because I wanted to level up some of my squads and that was the easiest way of doing it, a method that didn’t go against any of the game’s rules (I didn’t stack any boosters - even if that’s not against the rules, I didn’t get any humongous amount of XP by fully blocking the AI pathway to the point of them being unable to reach the cap points just so I can drag my matches for an endless period of time, and I can recreate those custom matches 10/10 times and record it if anyone is interested). If killing bots is against the rules, then every single player should be punished, because most of the so called players in this game are actually bots disguised as players.

I’m not gonna tell anyone to stop playing this game, this is a decision you will have to take on your own, but I will share my account details just so everyone can see and learn that if you mess with a player’s progression and put everyone in the same pot, guilty or not, then this will happen sooner or later, no matter how much said player would have to lose. This time, you, the devs, took a gamble and lost, by pushing it too far with your greediness.

Campaigns

(even 588 days of premium left on my account couldn’t turn the balance and convince me to take a different decision)

Weapons

(I did the math for you, if I would have sold all the weapons sitting unused in my inventory, not counting the default rifles, pistols and melee weapons, I would have gained 3802 bronze orders, so tell me again how I wanted to “game” the system)

Troops

(the same here, 1517 unused troops, which I would have been able to sell once they’d make that option available)

That being said, I wish you lads a good life, and who knows, maybe we’ll meet again in other places!

L.E. - It looks like the devs misinformed even their own mods, by giving them false information: https://i.imgur.com/6aHuZKK.jpg. Direct forum post source: Enlisted (also, a side note: https://i.imgur.com/n5SxL53.jpg).

[BandytaJeden]

Every update that comes out, i was about to spend more money here, and they stopped me twice in one month with their bs.
Spending money that would be enaugh for AAA game gets You still being treated like shit, and they expect everyone to $shill out and grind for years

[philipp306]

Dude same when I first played a Bot custom game I felt as excited as my first time playing. Even thought about buying premium but no they reduced the bot amount the next day. How can a dev team be so greedy in a game that´s in OBT? I just can´t comprehend it. I know it´s Gaijin but Jesus Christ that´s excesive even by their standards.

I´m gonna be ditching this game the second BF2042 comes out. I´d rather deal with DICE\EAs greed than the snail. Can´t wait to see this game die, because that´s what´s gonna happen if they keep doing what they do.

[Serpiko82]

I don’t want this game to die because I find it rather fun, yet admittedly the meanest part of me is eager to see Gaijin smash its face and learn the hard way how it’s like to run a game in a niche where they can’t enjoy monopoly and pull the most greedy stunts with near impunity, like they’ve been doing in War Thunder since years.

[CN_RamboSnoop]

I have never seen a team shoot themselves in the foot as much as I have seen with this game, and I used to play planetside 2.

[NAXAR]

I feel the same way. Every update my urge to uninstall this broken game with shit developers increases, with the only thing stopping me being the few unique mechanics no other game has. If not for them, this game would have been dead long ago.

[Shiivex]

bye .

[RockyB85699]

Bu Bye

[bobby_o6]

@62095441

I didn’t get any humongous amount of XP by fully blocking the AI pathway to the point of them being unable to reach the cap points

I get that you are frustrated but I quoted the sentence that caught my eye. It sounds like you might have intentionally blocked the friendly AI, even if only partially, I can see how the devs would consider this exploiting a game mechanic.

[TARD-Spetsnaz]

I played Airfield on the defenders side, so there was no point in blocking my friendly AI, since the enemy tickets would still be getting drained by me. Also, it’s impossible to fully block that map all by yourself, with 10 enemy squads attacking you non-stop and that huge hangar door, not to mention all the other ways in. You’d spend more time building defenses and dying, than actually getting kills.

I just let them take the first cap point then simply defended the second point (placed in the open and conquerable from outside the buildings aswell) until all their tickets were drained.

Hell, I even recorded some of it, like I had a premonition: Enlisted 2021 10 28 16 33 30 04 - YouTube

Have I killed bots? Yes. Was it against the rules? No.

[Brighty_07]

i dont want this game to die either. i dont make enough dough to buy a milsim and i dont wanna play some cheesy cod type junk. i dont like how theyre so greedy, but i appreciate that they make entry-level equipment able to compete with premium/end game stuff

[LegioX]

Dude. I was going to get into the new Microsoft flight sim game, but my god. The price to get a good joystick, throttle, and rudders, is crazy high.

[RokRoland]

Totally heinous.

It’s up to the developers to find out what their changes will cause. In my book this is not an exploit as shown on the video because it’s just outsmarting the AI. Even if you did find a place to just put an autoclicker on the machine gun and get a frag every second, it’s bogus from the devs because they put sucky predictable AI and then let you farm them with full XP. You are even aiming and putting in the hours.

If there were other people doing I have to say I have only seen such mentality of “everyone is guilty by association and hence shall be punished” in the army, and in certain eastern bloc country contexts. It’s very sad.

If they also rolled back those who had bought and paid for with real money their XP boosters available in the battle pass, then it’s worse still because people paid for that XP boost. It’s not the fault of the players that the devs didn’t notice and put a hotfix out two hours later.

[Squidocide]

It sucks that you feel that way, and you might even be justified, but I’ve got some points to make.

@62095441

When the devs punish players based on indirect and therefore flawed evidence

The evidence the devs have shown themselves to be using is direct evidence of base xp earned, over how many matches, by who, starting when. They might have more parameters, but we don’t know. Basic analysis of that data gives us a number of players with suspiciously high base xp earnings over a suspiciously small number of games. I can see room in this system for some of them to have just been defending from an MG nest, but without asking someone on the dev team to investigate every one of your match logs, for every person on the list it’s an understandable mistake.

@62095441

and assume that said players could have gotten X amount of kills only by blocking the AI from reaching the cap points

It’s a pretty safe assumption, especially if they have plenty of reliable data. Again, there’s room for error, but I seriously doubt it’s widespread. If they’d snagged more innocents than cheaters, there’d be a lot more crying about it than there already is.

@62095441

10 out of 10 criminals are innocent

This response from the devs might have been unprofessional, but it does illustrate a point: if the data available indicates that you’re probably guilty of exploiting the bots, it’s not unreasonable for the devteam to assume that you did. Unless you provide concrete evidence that they’re wrong, and I mean irrefutable, you haven’t proven anything. Which brings me to the next point -

@62095441

then you prove them wrong but they do nothing to remediate the situation

You haven’t. You’ve done exactly what the other guy did, you’ve loudly proclaimed your innocence and attempted to prove it with insufficient evidence. That nine-second youtube video was uploaded October 30th, three days after the exploit problem, and contains nothing to indicate when it was recorded, or if it was even a match against bots. It’s just some footage of you killing some soldiers with a mounted MG, and if you kept firing the way that you were, that gun would have overheated not long after the video ended and the bots would have made it into the point. Where were your friendly bots?

The screenshot you posted in the earlier thread doesn’t contain anything that indicates abuse, it would take many more matches like that to achieve the same results the cheaters did, but one legit screenshot posted days after the fact without a timestamp doesn’t do anything to prove you didn’t abuse the system, unless you were alleging that was the only game you plaid, which you weren’t.

@62095441

and I can recreate those custom matches 10/10 times and record it if anyone is interested

not if you quit playing before they give us the 20 bot cap back. There’s no way to achieve similar enough results vs one bot to demonstrate your point, let alone prove it.

@62095441

I did the math for you, if I would have sold all the weapons sitting unused in my inventory, not counting the default rifles, pistols and melee weapons, I would have gained 3802 bronze orders, so tell me again how I wanted to “game” the system

On this and the other videos, all this proves is that you already had everything you needed before the devs say you cheated the system. You can’t currently exchange unused weapons and soldiers for bronze orders, so I’m not sure where you got the numbers to do that math, or why you bothered.

@philipp306

they reduced the bot amount the next day

Custom lobbies were released on 10-27, people exploited them, the devs noticed.
The bot cap was gutted the next day, 10-28, in an effort to eliminate the abuse quickly while the devs worked to investigate the problem and formulate a better, long term solution.
On 10-29, Keofox made the announcement that they’d punished the players who’d abused the system, and later in that post demonstrated at least some of how they’d decided who cheated and who didn’t.
10-30, today, as far as I’m aware, there have been less than a dozen posts on this forum from people claiming to have been rolled back unfairly. There have to be more people than that who figured out the AI will just walk into a machine gun nest continually, and killed them in their hundreds, behavior which Keofox specified in the news topic (in a later reply) wasn’t exploitative and wasn’t punished. If he was wrong, there should be many, many more complaints like the one presented in this post.

If they didn’t want us to have full bot lobbies, they never would have given them to us in the first place, and we’ll probably get them back as soon as the devteam figures out how to eliminate the exploit, and even if other exploits exist, we won’t see this kind of response again if players report them when they figure them out instead of abusing them.

@119777988

It sounds like you might have intentionally blocked the friendly AI, even if only partially, I can see how the devs would consider this exploiting a game mechanic.

This. If you made any attempt to make it more difficult for the AI to pathfind, and those efforts resulted in a marked increase in your earnings, you are guilty of abusing an exploit for personal gain, a clear EULA violation.

@62095441

Also, it’s impossible to fully block that map all by yourself, with 10 enemy squads attacking you non-stop and that huge hangar door, not to mention all the other ways in.

The exploit didn’t involve blocking enemy AI from moving, as I understand it. It involved blocking friedly AI into the spawn or forcing them to get stuck on their way to an objective, leaving you to kill all the enemy bots by yourself. If executed well as attackers, since no friendly bots are dying you’re barely using tickets, and since the defenders respawns are unlimited, this artificially lengthens the time spent per match, and massively increases the number of kills the player could farm.

@998716

In my book this is not an exploit as shown on the video because it’s just outsmarting the AI.

Outsmarting the AI to win a match is fine, according to all the dev’s have said. Outsmarting the AI to artificially increase match times and rake in thousands of kills is exploitative.

@998716

Even if you did find a place to just put an autoclicker on the machine gun and get a frag every second, it’s bogus from the devs because they put sucky predictable AI and then let you farm them with full XP.

An autoclicker is external software that would have granted an in-game advantage in this case, a clear EULA violation. It’s perhaps reasonable to say that the Devs could have and should have seen how this could be exploited, given how fast the playerbase figured it out, but everyone who did it had to make a conscious choice do abuse the situation. We all have free will, and the devs don’t make our choices for us.

@998716

If they also rolled back those who had bought and paid for with real money their XP boosters available in the battle pass, then it’s worse still because people paid for that XP boost.

They appear to have rolled the accounts back to just before the first match where abusive behavior occurred, so if someone had paid money for gold to stack battlepass boosters, they’d either have those boosters back after the reset, or the gold if the rollback went that far. If they were rolled back too far, and the gold and boosters are gone, that would be an overstep on the devs part and they should either get their gold or their money back, since the value of them was reset.

[Buck_Breaker]

After reading this post I think it’s time for a wellness check

[TARD-Spetsnaz]

First of all, thank you for taking your time to deal with my issue, I really appreciate it, but unfortunately, just because you did that, doesn’t mean that you’re also right. Let’s start:

@Squidocide

The evidence the devs have shown themselves to be using is direct evidence of base xp earned, over how many matches, by who, starting when. They might have more parameters, but we don’t know. Basic analysis of that data gives us a number of players with suspiciously high base xp earnings over a suspiciously small number of games. I can see room in this system for some of them to have just been defending from an MG nest, but without asking someone on the dev team to investigate every one of your match logs, for every person on the list it’s an understandable mistake.

@Squidocide

It’s a pretty safe assumption, especially if they have plenty of reliable data. Again, there’s room for error, but I seriously doubt it’s widespread. If they’d snagged more innocents than cheaters, there’d be a lot more crying about it than there already is.

They were never able to prove that I got millions in XP from a few amount of custom games and if they would have been able to do that, I assure you that they would have done it, like they already did with a few other players. I never played a custom game that took longer than 30-35 minutes. NEVER. This is the highest amount of kills I have ever gotten in a custom game (https://i.imgur.com/Zur0irz.png) and if you consider the XP gained from that match something out of the ordinary, then I’ll amaze you with at least 10 screenshots of my previous non-custom games where I gained way more than that (based on XP gained per minute).

@Squidocide

This response from the devs might have been unprofessional, but it does illustrate a point: if the data available indicates that you’re probably guilty of exploiting the bots, it’s not unreasonable for the devteam to assume that you did. Unless you provide concrete evidence that they’re wrong, and I mean irrefutable, you haven’t proven anything. Which brings me to the next point -

@Squidocide

You haven’t. You’ve done exactly what the other guy did, you’ve loudly proclaimed your innocence and attempted to prove it with insufficient evidence. That nine-second youtube video was uploaded October 30th, three days after the exploit problem, and contains nothing to indicate when it was recorded

The video was recorded on 28.10.2021 am 16:33 local time, just like the title of said video says, if you would have taken a moment to notice that small detail. I will do you one better and confirm this by showing you the video’s details available on my PC: Desktop 2021 10 31 07 41 21 05 - YouTube

@Squidocide

footage of you killing some soldiers with a mounted MG, and if you kept firing the way that you were, that gun would have overheated not long after the video ended and the bots would have made it into the point.

Do you want me to reinstall the game and record myself shooting the same MG for 30 minutes straight? Because I will do it just to prove you wrong. In my video I barely paid any attention when I was shooting those bots, I was focused on ending the recording as fast as possible, because I wanted to send it to a friend on Discord, with whom I used to play Enlisted daily and because I don’t have Nitro, the clip couldn’t have been bigger than 8mb, otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to send it that way (screenshot from Discord: https://i.imgur.com/NOYz4te.jpg). Also, are you really serious when claiming that is impossible to shoot 10 bot squads the way I did it? Because if you do, then I’m sorry, but you lack skills, there’s no polite way putting it differently.

@Squidocide

Where were your friendly bots?

Can’t you see and “read” the minimap? Have you ever had 9 teammates covering the cap point at the same time? Can’t you notice on the minimap how weird their movements are?

@Squidocide

The screenshot you posted in the earlier thread doesn’t contain anything that indicates abuse, it would take many more matches like that to achieve the same results the cheaters did, but one legit screenshot posted days after the fact without a timestamp doesn’t do anything to prove you didn’t abuse the system, unless you were alleging that was the only game you plaid, which you weren’t.

That screenshot shows the highest amount of kills I have ever gotten in a custom game and not even the devs will be able to say otherwise. I actually invite them to do so.

@Squidocide

not if you quit playing before they give us the 20 bot cap back. There’s no way to achieve similar enough results vs one bot to demonstrate your point, let alone prove it.

Let me know then if you want me to reinstall the game and demonstrate you how easy it is.

@Squidocide

On this and the other videos, all this proves is that you already had everything you needed before the devs say you cheated the system. You can’t currently exchange unused weapons and soldiers for bronze orders, so I’m not sure where you got the numbers to do that math, or why you bothered.

Don’t pretend you don’t know what I’m talking about. The devs officialy stated that we will be able to sell weapons & troops once the next part of the major update rolls out. If you doubt their word, then you can also doubt that they never made a mistake: Massive improvements in the progression system - News - Enlisted

@Squidocide

The exploit didn’t involve blocking enemy AI from moving, as I understand it. It involved blocking friedly AI into the spawn or forcing them to get stuck on their way to an objective, leaving you to kill all the enemy bots by yourself. If executed well as attackers, since no friendly bots are dying you’re barely using tickets, and since the defenders respawns are unlimited, this artificially lengthens the time spent per match, and massively increases the number of kills the player could farm.

Again, if you would have taken your time to read my previous statement and watched carefully the video I uploaded on YouTube, you would have noticed that I played on the defending side. There is no point in blocking your own AI when you defend (side-note: on Airfield they spawn outside, so even if you want to block them, you can’t). You will drain the opposite team’s tickets once you start killing them and that’s unavoidable while defending, there is literally no way to drag a match while defending, unless the opposite side camps the whole match, which wasn’t case, and even if it were, it wouldn’t have been my fault and it wouldn’t have made sense to continue playing such custom games, since the one and only point was to kill them?!

@Squidocide

There have to be more people than that who figured out the AI will just walk into a machine gun nest continually, and killed them in their hundreds, behavior which Keofox specified in the news topic (in a later reply) wasn’t exploitative and wasn’t punished. If he was wrong, there should be many, many more complaints like the one presented in this post.

And yet, that’s exactly what happend.

[Squidocide]

@62095441

First of all, thank you for taking your time to deal with my issue, I really appreciate

Sure, I’m gonna go through this post and see what you’ve got to say as well, and if I’m wrong, I’ll point out how and where.

@62095441

They were never able to prove that I got millions in XP from a few amount of custom games and if they would have been able to do that, I assure you that they would have done it, like they already did with a few other players.

Keofox slapped one player in the face with the data, and made no promise to do so every time somebody publicly claimed to be the innocent victim.

@62095441

I never played a custom game that took longer than 30-35 minutes. NEVER.

Before I point out why this doesn’t matter, I want to point out that it doesn’t matter whether I believe you on this, and I don’t care about it enough to want to know the truth of the matter. What’s important here is that the devs, in interpreting their data, decided that they had sufficient evidence indicating you were guilty of exploiting the bots for personal gain, and proved (maybe, i’ve done some math that might indicate a big mistake) that they compiled the data from their logs to investigate the issue.

@62095441

This is the highest amount of kills I have ever gotten in a custom game (https://i.imgur.com/Zur0irz.png) and if you consider the XP gained from that match something out of the ordinary, then I’ll amaze you with at least 10 screenshots of my previous non-custom games where I gained way more than that (based on score/minute).

Again, it doesn’t matter if I believe you here, but I will point out that one screenshot of one battle results screen that doesn’t show evidence of exploiting doesn’t prove you didn’t, it just proves you didn’t in that particular game, and that’s exactly the stance the devs are going to take, atop their pile of better data.

@62095441

The video was recorded on 28.10.2021 am 16:33 local time, just like the title of said video says, if you would have taken a moment to notice that small detail. I will do you one better and confirm this by showing you the video’s details available on my PC: Desktop 2021 10 31 07 41 21 05 - YouTube

Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate my mistake here, honestly I think I just glossed over the title of the video. What time zone are you in? I know the bot nerf happened the same day that video was recorded, but I can’t find a solid time for when it hit.

@62095441

Do you want me to reinstall the game and record myself shooting the same MG for 30 minutes straight?

No, it’s fine, the circumstances of that recording are explanation enough, and if I care enough to prove one way or the other I can always test it, albiet against just the one AI squad.

@62095441

(screenshot from Discord: https://i.imgur.com/NOYz4te.jpg)

I’d like to point out that while this proves to me your MG performance for that short video was caused by managing recording software, you do realize that if the Devs are convinced your guilty of abusing the system, that screen shot would look like evidence that you also encouraged and taught other players how to do so?

@62095441

Can’t you see and “read” the minimap? Have you ever had 9 teammates covering the cap point at the same time? Can’t you notice on the minimap how weird their movements are?

This is also fair, it’s entirely possible I never looked at the minimap in the video, and thought it was odd I never saw any of the friendly bots in the point from your PoV.

@62095441

That screenshot shows the highest amount of kills I have ever gotten in a custom game and not even the devs will be able to prove that different. I actually invite them to do so.

Careful what you wish for, and I’ll point out again that it doesn’t matter if I believe you, but one screenshot and an assertion doesn’t constitute proof.

@62095441

Let me know then if you want me to reinstall the game and demonstrate you how easy it is.

Again, no thanks, it’s fine. It would be unscientific at best with one bot squad to shoot at. However, if you care enough about this issue to keep fighting it, you may want to keep the game installed and dick around in it once a day or so, just so you don’t lost posting privileges on the forum.

@62095441

Don’t pretend you don’t know what I’m talking about.

Oh, I know what you were talking about, I was just pointing out that since we can’t currently do so as that bit of the system wasn’t implemented, and because the devs have yet to specify how many bronze orders we’ll be getting for mulching soldiers and guns, you can’t know how many orders you’d get for selling them all off. A one-to-one ratio would probably be safe to assume, and I might be a bit of an ass for not taking that into account or checking your math with it, but I’m still technically correct here, which is the best kind IMHO.

@62095441

Again, if you would have taken your time to read my previous statement

This statement seemed, to me, to indicate you thought we or the devs were accusing you of manipulating *hostile* AI pathfinding, which is not my understanding of how the exploit worked as I pointed out.

@62095441

Also, it’s impossible to fully block that map all by yourself, with 10 enemy squads attacking you non-stop and that huge hangar door, not to mention all the other ways in.

@62095441

and watched carefully the video I uploaded on YouTube, you would have noticed that I played on the defending side. There is no point in blocking your own AI when you defend (side-note: on Airfield they spawn outside, so even if you want to block them, you can’t). You will drain the opposite team’s tickets once you start killing them and that’s unavoidable while defending, there is literally no way to drag a match while defending, unless the opposite side camps the whole match, which wasn’t case, and even if it were, it wouldn’t have been my fault and it wouldn’t have made sense to continue playing such custom games, since the one and only point was to kill them?!

I will admit, I didn’t watch that video and analyze it as carefully as I should have, and again, I don’t care one way or the other, but one video where no wrongdoing occurs doesn’t constitute proof that no wrongdoing occured.

@62095441

And yet, that’s exactly what happend.

And if you could prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt, you’d have had your account restored by now.

[TARD-Spetsnaz]

@Squidocide

Again, it doesn’t matter if I believe you here, but I will point out that one screenshot of one battle results screen that doesn’t show evidence of exploiting doesn’t prove you didn’t, it just proves you didn’t in that particular game, and that’s exactly the stance the devs are going to take, atop their pile of better data.

Do you honestly expect me to record all my matches? Let’s be realistic here. I have a SSD and therefore a limited number of write cycles. I’m not gonna write useless crap on it and also lag my game while doing it for no good reason.

@Squidocide

Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate my mistake here, honestly I think I just glossed over the title of the video. What time zone are you in? I know the bot nerf happened the same day that video was recorded, but I can’t find a solid time for when it hit.

GMT+2.

@Squidocide

I’d like to point out that while this proves to me your MG performance for that short video was caused by managing recording software, you do realize that if the Devs are convinced your guilty of abusing the system, that screen shot would look like evidence that you also encouraged and taught other players how to do so?

Only if they’re gonna contradict themselves, which wouldn’t be the first time.

@Squidocide

Careful what you wish for, and I’ll point out again that it doesn’t matter if I believe you, but one screenshot and an assertion doesn’t constitute proof.

The only reason I even took that screenshot was because it was the highest amount of kills I have ever gotten in a custom game. I have nothing to fear about it. I even posted it in good faith on the offical Enlisted Discord before they rolled back my account.

@Squidocide

Oh, I know what you were talking about, I was just pointing out that since we can’t currently do so as that bit of the system wasn’t implemented, and because the devs have yet to specify how many bronze orders we’ll be getting for mulching soldiers and guns, you can’t know how many orders you’d get for selling them all off. A one-to-one ratio would probably be safe to assume, and I might be a bit of an ass for not taking that into account or checking your math with it, but I’m still technically correct here, which is the best kind IMHO.

I would have made a joke and say that you might even get half a bronze card for selling one gun or trooper, but given the recent events, it’s not even a joke any more.

@Squidocide

And if you could prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt, you’d have had your account restored by now.

You do realise that I don’t want my account restored any longer. I didn’t even fight for it. I lost my appetite for this game the moment I saw how they treated this whole situation and their ungodly amount of greedines.

[Squidocide]

@62095441

Do you honestly expect me to record all my matches?

No, I don’t, I think that would be unreasonable. I’m merely pointing out that your evidence doesn’t constitute proof that you didn’t do anything wrong, and that while I don’t care, the devs do. If they wanted to prove your innocence from their end, they’d have to parse every bot session you played during the timeframe the exploit was available for bot movement and your activity, and if they think they already have sufficient evidence of your guilt, they’re not going to bother.

@62095441

GMT+2.

Ah, gotcha. I’m in GMT-5, you’re far enough ahead that the timeline makes sense, I think, so I’ll trust my gut because I’m tired of doing math.

@62095441

Only if they’re gonna contradict themselves, which wouldn’t be the first time.

It’s not necessarily a contradiction. All you proved is that you played one match on airfield where you mowed down a reasonable number of bots with an MG nest while defending, and since Keofox publicly stated that wouldn’t be punished, they have to be operating with evidence from outside that one match that you abused the exploit. If they punish you for the bad, and don’t punish you for the thing that wasn’t, there’s no contradiction. I’m still not saying you did anything wrong, because I don’t have the evidence that may or may not exist against you.

@62095441

it’s not even a joke any more.

You’re not wrong.

@62095441

You do realise that I don’t want my account restored any longer. I didn’t even fight for it. When I saw how they treated this whole situation and their ungodly amount of greedines, I lost my appetite for this game.

I didn’t realise, no. This is a basic difference in our dispositions, I think, because if I’d been wronged the way you claim to have been, and saw others claiming the same, I’d be doing everything I could to figure out how the devs had made that mistake, not just trying to prove that they’d made it, and get them to correct it. Publicly, after how they interacted with players claiming innocence.

Thanks for the time you took to respond to me, and I know you were or are mad about the situation, but thanks for being reasonable in our talk here instead of directing that at me. It has been refreshing.

[TARD-Spetsnaz]

@Squidocide

It’s not necessarily a contradiction. All you proved is that you played one match on airfield where you mowed down a reasonable number of bots with an MG nest while defending, and since Keofox publicly stated that wouldn’t be punished, they have to be operating with evidence from outside that one match that you abused the exploit. If they punish you for the bad, and don’t punish you for the thing that wasn’t, there’s no contradiction. I’m still not saying you did anything wrong, because I don’t have the evidence that may or may not exist against you.

I was referring to your previous statement, which was related to my Discord screenshot. This one:

@Squidocide

you do realize that if the Devs are convinced your guilty of abusing the system, that screen shot would look like evidence that you also encouraged and taught other players how to do so?

@Squidocide

I didn’t realise, no. This is a basic difference in our dispositions, I think, because if I’d been wronged the way you claim to have been, and saw others claiming the same, I’d be doing everything I could to figure out how the devs had made that mistake, not just trying to prove that they’d made it, and get them to correct it. Publicly, after how they interacted with players claiming innocence.

Well, we’re different here. I’m not gonna beg the great tsars to restore my progress. The damage is done.

@Squidocide

Thanks for the time you took to respond to me, and I know you were or are mad about the situation, but thanks for being reasonable in our talk here instead of directing that at me. It has been refreshing.

Thank you aswell for taking your time to reply here and I wish you the best in life.