SMLE Mk III (T) to BR 2

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Oh goody, three of my most favourite people are arguing with each other…

I really shouldn’t… but… I’ll see what I can do about refocusing this suggestion:

  1. Adding a scope does not naturally increase the BR of a weapon.

This is just… true…

And before someone has the time to mention the “exception”, moving on to;

  1. The No. 4 Mk I (T) was BR III long before the new aiming feature was added.

So, claiming that it’s BR III because of it is just ignorance.

Why is it BR III then…? Simple, it reloads a full mag, a single and fast reload, making it a pure upgrade to the regular unscoped version. That was enough to make it and keep it BR III, before the aiming feature was ever a thing.

  1. Sniper rifles, by their very nature, are extreamly limited.

Who brings a sniper squad when they’re not leveling it, or trying to do a “get X kills with a sniper” mission…?

No one, really. You can at most - in all other cases - bring one per squad, and that sniper then takes the space of another specialist soldier that - in almost all other cases - would have been much better for the squad’s firepower or functionality.

Snipers are, unless the enemy team is braindead, low value only, really only good for long-range harrasment. Harrasment which could just as easily be done with an MG, or just a regular unscoped rifle…

Oh, and every weapon is better if the enemy team is braindead.

Either way, I’ve never known a game to be won because one side had lots of snipers…

  1. It’s a rare event weapon.

For the fence sitters, this should be the deciding factor. When there’s no clear reason to uptier it (compared to the regular version it just has a scope, that’s not a good reason), taking into consideration it’s inherent nature as a event reward, it certainly deserves enough leeway, anyway.

Enough leeway to keep a scoped version of a TT rifle the same BR as it’s regular variant.

I could go on with how the SMLE is just a downgraded version of the No. 4, too. And whilst that is true, I believe it’s RoF should be buffed so that it’s identical to the No. 4 (and then have the two rifles foldered in the tech tree). Just because people doing accurate Commonwealth loadouts (early UK+Canada, or Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and India all throughout the war,) shouldn’t be unfairly penalised for picking a historical yet underperforming weapon, that by all rights shouldn’t be underperforming.

So, since that’s what I want, I won’t use that factor to push my point.

That is a larping reason/excuse, by the way.

I am just going to point out here that, this weapon isn’t really a good contender for being “the Commonwealth BR II sniper”. It’s a interesting reward, but lets not forget that all SMLE sniper rifles after WW1 were taken out of service, only the P14 (T) remained. So, it’s very much an a-historical weapon.

The top contender for the true, tech tree, historical BR II sniper rifle for the Commonwealth would be the Australian No. 1 Mk III* HT. It’s the only No. 1/SMLE sniper rifle to see service, let alone adoption, during WW2.

Now, compared to the tech tree version of the regular rifle, it would actually be a downgrade, because the centre-mounted scope would prohibit the use of charger clips, and giving it a magazine reload defeats the purpose of implementing a BR II sniper in the first place (then it’d just be a reskinned No. 4 sniper). So, a reload lasting, well… forever, should be enough to disuade any doubters in this instance.

And before anyone chirps up about “the lack of comparative weapons for other factions”, well, we’re all patiently waiting for them.

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Waited for you to comment before @ing you… if this is just true then why is this initially set at 3?

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No one would claim that the devs aren’t prone to making mistakes.

Pleanty of weapons and vehicles have had their BR adjusted after being added.

They also have a history of copying already existing weapons, and adding them without much adjustments. They likely made a “WW1 No. 4 (T)”, and thus it got the same BR, not thinking much further than that. “SMLE Mk III (T)” is not even an accurate name… “Sniper SMLE Mk III” would have been better, which to me says they didn’t think long on the subject…

They did the same thing with the Patchett initially, it’s really just a copy of the Sten, even though it shouldn’t be.

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Dunno, sniper mkb at BR3 just doesnt sound right.

Doubt anyone claimed snipers to be meta, the question here was why exactly should it be moved to BR2 harras the new players ?
It works just as well in BR3 or even BR5, assuming you are sitting at the edge of map doing your operation tea-time larp sniping.

It isnt exactly so much worse than TT lee-enfield either that it could be justified to be at BR2.
Remove, the sighted reload, limit mag to 5 and equalize the recoil offset.
Then its in line with the other BR2 snipers.

And lets be honest here, while you most likely aint going to switch the flow of the game with your sniper, im pretty sure majority of people uses the scope on theyr snipers so it indeed does a differency compared to iron sights.

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And this is why I got you on ignore, because you’re just a troll who won’t seriously engage with the other side.

I’ll leave you and your imaginary strawman to yourself.

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Remember to throw few IQ insults in there and I cant tell the differency between you and OP.

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well that explains why exactly this BR3 gun should be BR2.

Fantastic argumentation from both of you, fail to answer to simple questions proceed to insults.

Il ride your high-horse this time and just ignore you, since apparently im not going to get a answers from you either.

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You literally invited it, what???

You wanted me to call you low-IQ, I said you weren’t.

The arguments are above, btw, then someone derailed them.

And I am just realising that I am, once again, playing pigeon chess with the same troll as always, expecting a different result…

I’m a fool, too.

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Lol, no.

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No, I have no problem with snipers, but a Tier 3 sniper rifle shouldn’t be downgraded to Tier 2, because no one but you would suggest that. Furthermore, when I played as the Allied faction, I noticed many people in lower-tier matches liked to camp with sniper rifles until the game was lost, so that’s what I’m worried about.

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So I watched this post for days and I think I can draw some conclusion to what I saw now.

My point: for bolt-action rifles, a scope does make a difference, especially a rimless scope with minimum blockage of sight. Ask anyone who play German BR5 and he’ll tell you StG44 with scope is an unquestionable update from the normal StG, let alone a bolt action rifle.

For the Lee-Enfield Mk4 T, it’s straight up a better variation of its unscoped version, only with the drawback of problematic aim in point blank range. This however isn’t even the case with SMLE Mk3 T, this thing literally have iron sight available.

(Remember L-E Mk4 T is a good gun in BR3 to start with.)

So if your point is scoped version isn’t better than the vanilla bolt action, at least for Lee-Enfields with charging while scoped capability, then I’m sorry but I’m not agreeing.

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You are not being objective here in the slightest. The #4 was br3 before that mechanic was even in game, and all rifles that got that mechanic did not get uptiered because of it. Meaning it does not justify a higher rating.

Adding a scope to a rifle also does not increase it’s rating. We can verify this by removing the scope of said rifle and it’s br does not go down. Then we have unscoped rifles and their scoped counterparts in the same br as well meaning this does not warrant a br increase.

The ONLY reasonable claim for #4 to be br3 is the mag reload. Well guess what, the smle sniper is clip fed with a longer reload time.

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You’re argument is based on feelings. I just objectively proved why this gun is not br3.

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It should of never been br3 from the start? This isn’t an argument.

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so it was BR3 rifle even without the new addition.

Im not all that familiar with every sniper rifle of the game but which else sniper has 10 rounds, mag reload, recoil offset 0, reload while aiming ?

So its good in BR3.

Long before the reload while sighted it was already BR3 rifle due to being by far better than any other BA sniper.

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If event weapons and battlepass get to be lower tiers than what they desire which happens occasionally then the scotti should be BRIV with its current stats… if this is what you’re getting at by it being an event.

Or just it being lesser obtained then again, the p-47d 22RE or whatnot should be BRIV as well.

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The Enfield P14 sniper premium is an option. Dunno if its available for sale though

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I believe we are talking about the smle here not the no.4 everything you just said is irrelevant

Somehow you completely ignored everything said lol. None of that increases the br of a rifle. The only reason no.4 is br3 is because of the mag reload which we know does increase br. Everything else does not, it doesn’t matter if germany doesn’t have one? The u.s. doesn’t have things that germany does? That’s not a valid argument.

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Do remind me how much different the stats between them are.

So how does the event gun reload ?

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It’s clip fed from the top, just like any other bolt action sniper. The no.4 has detachable mag reload.

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