No. 1 Mk III* HT - A Austrailian BR II Sniper Rifle

No. 1 Mk III* HT - A Austrailian BR II Sniper Rifle


Introduction

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Greetings and salutations, friends!

This time around, I’d like to suggest the addition of the Australian No. 1 Mk III* HT sniper rifle as a BR II bolt-action sniper for the Allied faction (USA/Commonwealth), introduced in the tech tree.

This rifle would help fill the gaps in the Commonwealth’s sniper options, specifically for BR II, giving us a WW2 appropriate “SMLE” sniper. It’d also represent the only genuinely successful attempt to turn the SMLE platform into a proper sniper rifle, which Australia righfully deserves praise for accomplishing.


Historical Background and name

Background

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The British (and the Commonwealth in general), like others at the time, did not go into WW1 with sniper rifles. When Germany started using rifles with hunting scopes as prescion weapons against them, the actual battlefield value of a sniper was found to be insignificant but the morale value to be descisive. In response, the British started experimenting with their own scoped rifles, of all kinds of scope + rifle combinations and mounting variations, all of them lacking proper and unique designations/names until some sort of standard was forced through by the war’s end.

By the Second World War, no British SMLE/No. 1 sniper rifles remained in service.
All First World War SMLE snipers had their scopes removed, the optics either surplussed or discarded if they didn’t meet standardisation requirements, and the rifles themselves returned to general service. The Pattern 1914 (T) rifles, with specifically the Pattern 1918 Aldis scope, were retained as the sole Empire-wide sniper platform. This is the same rifle we see in game as a BR I premium.

This was not without reason. During WWI, the British were consistently unimpressed with the SMLE’s performance as a precision rifle. Offset scope mounting, variable accuracy due to rifle bedding, rear locking-lugs on the bolt, and lacking reciver strength, plus the limits of early production meant that the No. 1 never truly excelled in the sniper role, consistently performing worse compared to the P14.

During WW2 Australia, however, succeeded where others had not.

The Rifle No. 1 Mk III* HT - all manufactured and refited by Lithgow Small Arms Factory, Australia - represented a serious and ultimately the only successful effort to turn the SMLE into a proper, high-quality sniper platform. Using carefully selected rifles for accuracy, deliberately using only heavy barreled marksmen/target rifles, carefully bedding and fitting each rifle during the conversion process, and sticking to a centre-mounted scope mounting solution, Australia produced a sniper rifle that was not merely functional, but respected for its performance.

Between November 1944 and February 1946, approximately 1,612 rifles were assembled. While this was fewer than the roughly 2,000 WWI-era P14 (T) rifles available across the Empire before the war (especially during the war before production finished), the No. 1 HT was nonetheless:

  • A genuine WWII-era production weapon
  • Formally adopted and issued
  • Used operationally during the last year of the war and retained in service well into the post-war period

This makes it historically preferable to various experimental, obsolete, or purely notional SMLE sniper configurations that never existed in wartime inventories.

There’s also a nice piece of legacy here, as there might well be a few Australian players who had their fathers or grandfathers (or even themselves!) trained on this sniper’s weapon in the 60s and 70s.

Name

It should be added to the game as the “Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III* HT”.

The No. 1 is self explanatory, after 1926 all SMLEs were redesignated as “Rifle No. 1” to fit the new standardised rifle nomenclature system. The Mk III* means that it’s a Mk III SMLE/No. 1 rifle, without the magazine cut-off. The H stands for “Heavy barrel”, these barrels were indeed heavier than the standard rifles, because these rifles were designed to be either military marksmen rifles from the ground up or intended as civilian target rifles. The T stands for “telescopic”, denoting the fact that it has a scope on it.

It’s fully correct name is “Rifle No. 1 Mk III* HT”, this was the name it was officially adopted and manufactured as, calling this rifle a “Sniper SMLE Mk III” would be incorrect, and would confuse it with earlier WW1-era British rifles.


Scope and Configuration

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The rifle would use the Aldis Pattern 1918 scope, already present in Enlisted on the BR I Premium P14 sniper rifle. The historical diference here is that these scopes were domestic Australian production scopes, whereas the scopes on the P14 were WW1-era vintage, but that’s no reason to create a completely new model. This makes implementation simpler by avoiding the introduction of a completely new optic.

Additionally, the sniper rifle came in two main different configurations based on how the Pattern 1918 scope was mounted; Either a high-mount scope (“Medium bracket” officially), or a low-mount (“Short bracket” officially). Both high and low mounts were centre-mounted. Additionally, a wooden cheek piece could be added to or removed from the buttstock by a armourer, if requested by the individual sniper.

Personally, I like the look of the cheek piece, it makes the rifle look more distinctive, so I think it should be on the wepaon in game. As for the specific scope-mounting solution, I have no perticular opinion, both look good. Though, it seems that most photos depict the high-mount style.

Tell me down below which one you prefer (then I’d also know if you were a good boy/girl/tank that read through this suggestion)!


Stats

Stats would be identical to the current SMLE Mk III tech tree rifle in game, apart from:

  • It’d have a 4x power magnification scope.

3x IRL, but in game the Pattern 1918 has 4x power on the P14 (T), and no scope in game (as far as I am aware) has less than 4x power, so the No. 1 HT should have the same performance here as well.

  • Use single bullet reloads only, to justify its BR II placement.

It would be incapable of accepting stripper clips (“charger clips” in British/Commonwealth service) due to its centre-mounted scope, and making it reload through mag changes would just have us creating a slightly weaker No. 4 (T) rifle in BR III. In other words, it’d reload like the Pre-war Kar98k currently does in game.

Do you support the addition of the “Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III* HT” to the Allied tech tree?
  • Aye
  • No (please explain why below)
  • I hate all sniper rifles
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Tech Tree Rationale

The No. 1 Mk III* HT should be a tech tree unlock because:

  • It represents a standardised, adopted, produced, issued, and used weapon of WW2, not a prototype.
  • It provides Commonwealth players with a second sniper option outside of their sole other tech tree choice, the No. 4 in BR III.

As a true wartime sniper rifle, it deserves priority over ahistorical or experimental alternatives that did not see service.


Image Gallery

Arthur Francis Hill posing with his No. 1 HT.
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A No. 1 HT with high-mount scope as displayed on the Australian War Memorial webpage.
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A No. 1 HT with high mounted scope and cheek piece.
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A loose No. 1 HT cheek piece.
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A close up of the No. 1 HT buttstock with a cheekpiece mounted.
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Private L. Tunks of C Company, Australian Imperial Force 2/43rd Battalion, August 1945. The scope a high-mount and is equipped with a rubber eyepiece.
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Snipers Corporal Clayton “Chicka” Donnelley and Lance Sergeant Gordon “Bill” Burley, 2/4th Commando Squadron on Tarakan Hill, Borneo, 5 May 1945. High-mount scope.


Sources Used

NRA American Rifleman - 'A Grisly Business:' Australia’s Lee-Enfield Sniper Rifle | An Official Journal Of The NRA

Lee Enfield Rifle Association of Australia Inc. (LERAA) - Lithgow SMLE No1 Mk3 HT – Lee Enfield Rifle Association of Australia Inc. (LERAA)

Lithgow Small Arms Factory Museum - Lithgow Small Arms Factory Museum

Youtube video by Ian Skennerton, Australian firearms expert and member of the LERAA - https://youtu.be/-zh_t1v3O2U?si=1Gt1TRHRvM0WjE3Y


Conclusion

The Australian No. 1 Mk III* HT offers a rare combination of:

  • A BR II Commonwealth Sniper option

With,

  • Strong historical legitimacy

It would give the Commonwealth specific players a much wanted BR II sniper rifle (so they don’t have to rely on US Springfields anymore), showcase a unique Australian contribution to WWII small-arms development, and finally allow the SMLE to shine in a role it was unable to fully during the First World War — through no small amount of Australian persistence and ingenuity.

Thanks for reading, and remember: It turns out the No. 1 had it in it after all.

Signed,
Lt. Ogge King, 3rd Experimental Tea Infusion and Small Arms Appreciation Company, Home Guard (Reserve),
God save the King.

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Perfect suggestion!
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Perfect.

However, isn’t this a bit strong for BR2 ? I see that you made some interesting change to adapt it for BR2. But my issue mainly comes from the rifle itself : at BR3 the No. 4 (T) (I mean, for me it is the strongest sniper rifle in the game) is extremely strong because of the ability to maintain the ADS between shot.

Given that SMLE also have this feature, I would understand that this rifle would also get the feature, right ?

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It better come with an aussie squad.

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It’d be massively nerfed by the fact that it won’t reload by either chargher clips or magazines. Putting a scope on something isn’t, alone, worth a BR increase.

Btw, the No. 4 was BR III before this new maintain-ADS feature, due to the fact that it used magazine reloads. The new ADS feature only cemented its position

The regular rifle is BR II, since the stats will have it’s reload spees nerfed and the addition of a scope does not necessitate a BR change, the No. 1 HT’s ultimate spot will also be BR II.

Naturally.


I wouldn’t mind a tech tree Aussie sniper squad.

As long as the weapon is in the tech tree, I’ll be happy.

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You are right, most scoped rifles are at the same BR as their unscoped variant.

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10 rds good rof with cycling while scoped is op on the one in BR3… couldn’t imagine one in BR2.

“Putting a scope on something isn’t, alone, worth a BR increase.”

it did and that’s why the Enfield T is BR3… that would be ridiculous in BR2… which you are suggesting with minor nerfs… yes it does take out a lot of its dps while reloading singular but that can even be seen as an advantage and is like saying well let’s add mg 42 to BR3 but make its reload ridiculously long.

Its ultimate spot wouldn’t be in the game at all… it would outclass every bolt action sniper rifle par from the one in 3… i mean if you want to cement the power creep i believe its called then sure throw this thing in BR2 after the m1a1 was.

Also you are ignoring the reason why the one we have is 3 and saying well the rifle is 2 so giving it increased range with a scope is not justified to up its BR… i think that is reason enough to realize the BR you suggest here isn’t true to what the weapon is.

Wrong.

The No. 4 (T) rifle is BR III because it uses full magazine reloads, making it leagues faster to reload than the regular version. It’s not BR III because of the scope.

I’m all for uptiering the M1A1 again, but that’s not what this suggestion is about.

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I personally think it’s a combination of all the factors… its fire rate is more than enough to justify its BR along with it being scoped… exactly what i said 10 rounds good rof while being able to retain the scope while cycling.

However i must admit i had completely spaced out its magazine reload in relevance to its BR… but to say its only because of that is disingenuous and also is in general when you are portraying it to be the same thing… unless when you referred to the aforementioned quote you were saying yours would just be a scoped lee enfield… which i still don’t think is fair in its BR i mean the lee enfield is already the best rifle and was in BR3 for the mag size alone.

Mag reload allows it to be played aggressively which i rarely see anyone do with the enfield anyway so it’s really only sacrificing some damage over time while reloading singularly which i still don’t think would be an adequate nerf to it in BR2.

Perhaps give an gameplay purpose and explain why US should get the best one to date? Why do they need another? The other nations don’t have a scoped while aiming sniper let alone one with 10 rounds.

For roleplaying purposes? Then play three.

Your two reasons are not related to gameplay balance at all coincidentally because it would break it.

Let me make it clear i’m not against the weapon and purpose but more so the affect it will have on balance… the sniper enfield we have is already OP in 3… adding one with a nerf that honestly could be considered a buff in a way to the BR lower doesn’t seem right.

its also because it’s the only bolt action sniper rifle able to stay zoomed between shots, that plays a factor in its BR placement alongside the mag reload

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If there is something that prevents it with this… or really just disabling it for its BR placement then i’d like this… despite its mag difference to other factions counterparts… not that my opinion is of much validity.

Then you’d have to contend with the fact that the regular version has the same RoF and better reload speed… Why isn’t it BR III…?

It’s not, it’s the truth.

The No. (T) had it’s BR long before the ADS buff. Tear away the layers and what are you left with as the difference between the scoped and unscoped rifle, that singles it out from all other scoped/unscoped rifle couples in game…?

The reload is superior on the scoped version, that is what pushed it over the edge.

You are aware that all Lee-Enfield rifles, except for the No. 4 (T), are BR II, not III…?

I just want to make sure.

Adding a scope does not magically improve the rifle, it only gives it a different service roll. You can’t run 9 man squads with rifles, either. At worst, you can use the alwful Sniper Squad to have three of them, otherwise you are universally limited to only having one per squad.

In a game so focused on volume of fire, having a weapon that already exists just fine in game, but giving it somw extra reach, won’t break balance, only diversify engagement options. BR 2 will still be dominated by Assaulter cycling, there’s little that can be done about that.

The Commonwealth deserves their own indigenous sniper option in the tech tree, that’s the gameplay justification. At BR 2, there is frankly no other more appropriate choice.

You know, I could have picked worse…? The WW1 era SMLE snipers had off-set scopes. Meaning, the same package, but none of the drawbacks…

That being said, on the point of “but what about the others?”, I’m all for them recieving similar items. Germany should get, and I’m desperately hoping for it, a scoped Mannlicher M1895 (I think I’ll write a suggestion about it, unless someone else already has, I don’t remember), with a off-set scope for clip reloading. Japan, the lucky sods, can get the honour of having the only scoped BR II semi-auto rifle in the tech tree, that being a scoped Type Hei (there’s already a suggestion out there for it, IRC) also off-set scope. I’ll admit here that my expertise on Russian/Soviet weaponry is lacking, so I can’t suggest one here (I hope there’s a scoped Winchester out there, but I feel like that’s unlikely to have been a thing in Russian service).

On that note, I’ll also add that I’ll me .aking a Ross Mk III sniper suggestion at some point to, which I imagine to be the better sniper weapon, IMO, due to having a off-set scope just as the Mannlicher.

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Despite what you think, because the T has a scope… and can be used easier at ranges… it’s advantages already on top of that justify it.

Also what differentiates it is its mag capacity. it’s not just about it being able to be reloading by whole.

Naturally, because it’s your suggestions only validity to its BR you’d say that… it’s not.

Yes it being 3 before i’d generally agree… the magazine reload is a big part… but now all of its factors combined justify it.

I’m no stranger to not being very observant but you’ll notice i said “was”… however is that much concern now? No… so fair.

it improves the weapons ability to perform a certain task

Adding a sniper rifle with 10 rounds and scopes while cycling is breaking the balance of all the others… which the enfield we have already does. doesn’t need to be worse.

Somewhat extra reach and diversity is a nice way to downplay adding the best sniper in game per BR… talk about diversity… there would be no reason to use the springfield… it is a meta addition.

Assaulter squads are not of the question, i wasn’t referring to overall game balance if that wasn’t clear… honestly more so about symmetrical balance which i don’t like but is the norm so i just embrace it.

I mean okay, i must say your affliction to UK representation is causing bias here… it can break the balance of sniper rifles because you want to represent UK?

You don’t need equipment for every BR for each nation.

Would you say adding the breda safat LMG which is basically a US stinger to the TT because BRV axis doesn’t have an italian MG valid? I bet not… not only because it was never adopted but because you think that’s not fair… well i would say the same here.

Correct me if i’m wrong but like i said that is power creep no? So you want to open the gate to exceptionally powerful BR2 snipers? Br3 seems the place for that given the mk3 T.

Ill admit though if this comes with a scoped mannlicher… then i suppose.

However there is bias in my disagreement as i don’t like the users of snipers and that when this becomes added everyone will use it because naturally you want to use the new weapon which will cause influx in sniper users… along with then i suppose having one weapon out of barely a few added each update to be a sniper furthering that situation… but that is neither here nor there.

I’ll give a single, consolidated reply here and then leave it at that - I think at this point we’re largely talking past each other, so we may have to agree to disagree.


The core issue you still need to contend with is that no other weapon in Enlisted has its BR increased solely because a scope is added.

That is where your logic breaks down.

Take the G43 as a direct comparison. In terms of basic characteristics - a 10-round magazine and a relatively fast rate of fire - it is broadly comparable to the Lee-Enfield family in those regards. Its scoped variant does not receive a BR increase, despite the fact that the scope objectively improves the rifle’s effective engagement range and usage.

If you strip away everything except what differentiates the scoped and unscoped No. 4 rifles, and compare that delta to other rifle pairs in the game, the conclusion is fairly straightforward:
the meaningful difference is the improved reload on the scoped No. 4.

That’s it. That reload improvement is substantial and clearly what made it a higher BR.

By contrast, most other sniper variants are either on par with, or slightly worse than, their standard counterparts due to identical or inferior reload mechanics. The only exceptions I can think of are:

  • the Pre-war Kar98k, which has a marginally higher rate of fire than its base version (barely noticeable in practice), and
  • the No. 4 (T), which has a dramatically improved reload - far more noticeable than any scope alone could ever be.

If we accept that a low-magnification scope by itself warrants a BR increase, we’re left with a unbreakable paradox:
the unscoped rifle is apparently fine at its BR, but becomes unbalanced purely by the addition of an optic.

In my view — and clearly in the view of most others here — if a rifle becomes “too strong” simply by mounting a scope, then the issue lies elsewhere in the weapon’s balance, not in the presence of the optic itself.

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I’d love a magazine fed only version of the regular No. 4 in BR III, btw.

I’d still be rocking the regular clip fed one, though, in most of my setups, because reloading through clips feels more authentic… Which it is, granted.

Would it really be BR3 ? VG2 is a mag fed rifle and still is BR2. Though I guess the bayonet and the locked ADS between could make a difference.

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In my mind, it’d simply be there as a consolation prize for a Commonwealth player wanting to remain semi-historical/authentic.

Frankly… Using any kind of semi-auto (or, heaven forbid, full-auto!) rifle on my plucky Brits above the Lee-Enfields just feels… Wrong.

Yeah… It wouldn’t blow away the competition in BR III, but it’d be too strong for BR II at the same time… The game might well benefit from a “BR 2.5”, that @Valkay has talked about in the past, but that’s neithere here nor there…

A magazine fed No. 4 would just be in BR III for the average Commonwealth man who, just like his period counterpart, are too stubborn to get with the times. Better a slightly worse Lee than a Garand, IMO!!!

Thank you for your post.

YES!!! We need this definitely in the tech tree.

As you say we deserve a UK-Commonwealth sniper rifle option that isnt American. (we currently have snipers for Italians and Germans).

I may be wrong but I feel like the Axis tree has way more snipers than Allies do generally.

I want to see more .303s in game, as you say they were common rifles unlike all this prototype crap.

Id love an Australian sniper squad.

Id suggest add an Australian sniper squad but make the 1st Agas uniforms freely available customisation for all squads and add Australian slouch hats or digger hats. (I may be wrong but Ive never heard of any snipers wearing berets while sniping)

As for the haters, gods sake people stop being Thanos. ‘muh balanzzzz’

Allies have the worst weapons in game so please stop complaining about Allied weapons being OP.

I believe @OggeKing has explained valid arguments as to why this belongs at BR II.

Indeed there seems to be overwhelming agreement that this should be added to the tech tree and if so then BR II is the only BR that makes sense. We dont need two Lee Enfield snipers at BR III.

And as for being able to continue to aim, well the reload is still very slow (even more so for a 10 round gun) and personally Id just put it down to factional differences, something a lot of people seem to have forgotten.

Eg. Germany has the MG34 at BR III which is a proper LMG and fires 50 rounds. Whereas the Allies only have annoying top mounted mags with only 30 rounds or the BARs which while useful at times are automatic rifles, they are no good for defence (especially with only 20 rounds).

I strongly argue that the devs must add this to the tech tree, with the suggested nerfs as OggeKing has set out.

If its such a damn problem then perhaps we could see a Mannlicher sniper added to Axis tree. (I dont know much about Austrian sniper rifles that would require a separate post but this picture would suggest they did exist and it would mean the Axis as well get a BR II sniper where you can keep aiming while firing)

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I’d prefer if you addressed me directly… i have no problem in making my disagreement known despite overwhelming support.

And ok, well then since germans have the worst planes then it shouldn’t be a problem to get a plane that performs much higher than any of its counterparts of the same br… and ope… because it’s italian… it’s ok.

I agree that they lack representation at its BR but adding a weapon that outclasses all the others isn’t the way to go about it… and i dont see the point in poking at wanting to keep general balance… the lee enfield isn’t OP because of its mag reload it’s because of its 10 rds, steady rof and firing while scoped… which this rifle retains… the mag reload only adds on top of its DPS that outclasses every other bolt action sniper rifle and even semi auto ones.

British deserve representation… not by adding power creep sniper rifle… a sniper rifle is the last thing we need in game especially if it leads to that… however they are pretty neglected so i wouldn’t mind seeing this along with a mannlicher like you both have mentioned along with others. i mean i wouldn’t like it but it would be an update to the lesser picked ones.

They both serve a different purpose… one imbalance doesn’t justify adding another, again i reiterate my point about an OP italian plane in BR2, lets imagine a bomber with 2000-3000Lb load.