Slightly improve STG45(M), to make it more suitable for BR4

This is the statistic of all "AR"s below BR5 in Germany. (MKB42H as the minimum threshold for entering BR5)


The low firing rate of 450 makes STG45(M) uncomfortable to use and puts it at a huge disadvantage in combat at close distance. Compared to other AR weapons in Germany, STG45 (M) performs relatively poorly in its own BR, especially when competing with MKB42 (M).
Someone had previously suggested on the forum to lower STG45 (M) to BR3, but this suggestion was not welcomed.

So a better approach is to improve STG45 (M) to make it more suitable for BR4.
Due to the principle of historical accuracy, we shouldn’t arbitrarily increase the damage or firing rate of a weapon.
Therefore, I suggest improving STG45 (M) in the following areas:

  • Reloading speed has increased from 2.6 (2.2) to 2.4 (2.0)
  • Recoil decreased from 37/12 to 33/8
  • Hipfiring spread decreased from 15 to 6
  • Visual recoil reduced from 1.6 to 1.3

All the above changes are adjustments made based on other ARs in Germany.
These changes will not alter the DPS (firing rate and damage) of STG45 (M), but will make it more comfortable to use and more suitable for BR4.

What’s your opinion

  • Yes, STG45(M) needs to be slightly buffed
  • No, STG45(M) is good enough at BR4
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It really needs a ROF buff because 450rpm is pathetic at that BR

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450 is already the max rate of fire I think, it needs a very big buff or go to BR3

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You should leave a third voting option:

No, STG45 is terrible and needs to be buffed massively.

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STG44 had a historical rate of fire of 500, why this later version needs to be slower is weird logic to me.

Either go for balance, or go for realism, but cherry picking a payed premium gun into uselessness is very weird to me.

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I can’t think of any other way.
STG45 (M) uses a regular 7.92kurz bullet, and if you want to significantly buff it, you have to change the firing rate. In that case, we would only create another MKB42 (H), and this will involve the HA and BR issues of other AR, which will definitely bring more controversy.

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That’s why I prefer it to go to BR3, it won’t be unbalance.

Uragan SMG has a fictional rate of fire of 860 and PPSH 41 Box 1150 in BR3, so I don’t see why the STG 45 M shouldn’t be BR3

And it makes no sense to be in BR4 when Soviet submachine guns have at least double the rate of fire (some almost triple) and all have more than double the ammo in the magazine.

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It really wont, yes. Obviously regular MKB also needs to move to BR4, but that a different story.

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Someday this will happen, I hope

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nah, Mkb42 is probably never leaving BR5. I’m saying we should buff the STG45 while also keeping it at BR4 so it remains distinct and viable

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As I said, lower to BR3 is not a popular suggestion

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That doesn’t mean it’s not the right option; I doubt that those people who voted “no” have used that weapon before

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I guess this is the price of “forum democracy”, radical suggestions are not welcomed

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Aligning with my previous suggestion to buff all ARs to one-tap at close range: an StG.45(M) with 13.9 damage and 450 RPM would be balanced if the gun kept all other stats the same, or potentially nerfed. Similar TTK as a Kiraly 39M or PPD-40, but less ammo, worse handling, and still two-taps vitality beyond 21m.

And yes, we can find similar weapons for the other trees if they so desire. USSR had plenty of AR prototypes, for example.

Radical suggestions are welcomed, but that doesn’t mean they have to be implemented.

It’s a good thing that we are able to bring ideas that are outside-of-the-box, and then filter them beyond the perspective of a single lens to see if people think it works. I do find “forum democracy” leads to people who don’t know anything about math, balance, or play at a competitive level making comments about weapon tuning, but that’s the price of giving everyone a voice, and it’s an overall decent system.

I voted no because its a post war gun, and I rather see it being buffed than time travelled.

If you do that, you should make these guns have exactly 13.5 damage, so that they ONLY one hit down in direct close combat.

The cool thing about this idea, that way MKB42H could stay in BR5, and STG44 could get a historically correct rate of fire nerf.

Two good changes in one go.

Definitely not. That’s the thing what makes the weapon unique.

Just like Krieghoff FG. If you don’t like low rof, just don’t buy the squads. Nobody is forcing you to do so.

What do I think of the Stg45 rate of fire? :thinking:
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The Horn ROF sucks as well. Just sayin :blush:

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Being shit is not an appealing unique quality

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