Siamese SMLE III

I know everyone is tired of copy-and-paste just because the devs are lazy; no copy-and-paste weapon makes sense because they could have just added national weapons but the Siamese SMLE III makes sense.

First, Japan would have a bolt-action rifle that allows aiming while firing

Secondly, we would have more representation of a Thai sub-faction.

Third, Japan would have a bolt-action rifle with more than 5 rounds (although I would still use the Arisaka38 and only use in Thai squads if we have them in the future).

Even so, many people will probably vote no because they don’t want copy and paste anymore or because it’s unnecessary, Now it’s time to tell the story of SMLE III in Siam

History

In 1920 the king of Siam Vajiravudh, also known as Rama VI, during his time studying in England became an avid admirer of the Lee-Enfield SMLE. He then ordered 10,000 SMLE III for his personal Regiment “The Wild Tiger Corps”. The Regiment also included his personal Royal Guards.
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King Rama VI with members of the Wild Tiger Corps

The “Wild Tigers” were a Paramilitary Regiment founded by Rama VI in person in 1911 with the purpose and function of civil order and close protection.

The rifle is produced by Birmingham Small Arms, It was produced with distinctive tiger’s head on the receiver. The rifle shows matching Siamese characters on the breech, bolt and barrel that guarantees originality. The finish is very similar to all weapons produced by BSA, with the trademark high grade finish. However, in the case of the Siamese model the build quality is superior, perhaps due to such a small batch being ordered or possibly due to explicit requests of the monarch.



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Many were destroyed during the Japanese invasion of WW2 with the few surviving rifles falling victim to the harsh Jungle environment.

The bayonet it is the standard 1907 SMLE model but has the Wild Tiger Corps logo instead of the Crown. The sheath has the same shape as the classic SMLE but is produced in metal. Also known very rare leather sheaths with specific siamese markings.


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Source

THE SIAMESE LEE ENFIELD

:white_check_mark: Weapon Type
Bolt-action rifle

:white_check_mark: Battle Rating (BR)
BR2

:white_check_mark: Type
TT

:white_check_mark: Availability
Japan was going to have a bolt-action rifle with 10 rounds like the USA TT.

:white_check_mark: Gameplay Purpose & Role
It fills the gap of a bolt-action rifle with more ammo in the magazine than 5 rounds of Japan TT And Japan would have a bolt-action rifle with 10 rounds with the advantage to fire while aiming like the USA.

Siamese SMLE III Should be added to the game?
  • Yes
  • No
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If Yes, how?
  • TT
  • Event weapon
  • BP
  • Thai Event Squad
  • Thai Premium Squad
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Then why are you suggesting yet another copy paste? There are many unique rifles that are still not present in the game.

Stop ruining uniqueness and integrity of factions.

Otherwise we can just abolish concept of factions

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Japan has no other option with a 10-rounds bolt-action rifle, there’s only one prototype of the Arisaka 38, of which we only have two blueprints.
And Darkflow doesn’t care about uniqueness, Just look at the amount of copy-and-paste across all nations and Df wants to balanc all nations. For that all nations have assault rifles, jets and SF most of them prototypes.

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I don’t mind copy and pastes when they’re event or premium squads, especially if they come with unique nationalities.

Copy and pastes become a problem once they infiltrate the tech trees…cough cough ofenrohr cough cough…

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I hope that one day it will be removed and replaced in the Allied and Japan TT.

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For the allies they could do a prototype Super Bazooka at BR5, maybe with like 2 or 3 shots since it’d have a lot more pen than other AT launchers.

For Japan they could do the Type 97 with the big ol HEAT grenade. It’d be like the GRB, just a lot bigger

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Oh, I’d love to see a soldier reload that thing on hands.

Thai rifles had unique engravings on them similar to how the Japanese would engrave their Arisaka rifles

It can be a unique rifle that isn’t a 1:1 clone of what the USA has

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Better TT option would be a M1888 Mannlicher, because that’ll be unique but still provide the Japanese with a Thai rifle that should be capable of the aiming-whilst-cycling feat.

Honestly, the regiment you brought up sounds so cool I definitely want it as a event squad instead.

I want my Thailand subfaction for Japan.

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The Mannlicher 1888 is straight pull but would miss out on the 10 rounds the SMLE provides.

And…?

  • Ross Mk III (Allies BR II, 5 rounds, still a popular choice for Allies),
  • Mannlicher M1895 (Axis BR II, 5 rounds)
  • Winchester M1895 (Soviets BR II, 5 rounds)

It’ll be good enough, it’s what everyone else has.

Japan can get the SMLE Mk III in a cool event squad, the Mannlicher as a unique TT unlock. Absolutely best implementation.

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Mannlicher M1890 carbine That would also be another option, Siam also bought

All three can be added to the game, more content and variety better.

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I do not believe that a BR2 10 round bolt action rifle is an important enough thing Japan needs to justify the use of copy-pasting.

I agree with @OggeKing’s suggestion.

A unique Thai weapon that meets the criteria without being an SMLE in Japanese tree.

Im not 100% against the idea but as others have said I do strongly question the point of giving Japan SMLEs when there are many other guns we havent seen in the game at all.

I also agree that Japan doesnt need a 10 round rifle when almost all bolt actions in WW1 and WW2 were 5 rounds.

In fact to my knowledge the SMLE (and Mk 4) were the only 10 round bolt action rifles unless there was some crazy prototype of other guns.

I dont think Allies alone having SMLE is OP, its how it was in real life and we could hardly call Japanese rifles underpowered, they are some of the best in the game.

Furthermore, as noted by OggeKing, the Ross rifle (5 rounds) is still a very popular choice for Allies.

Indeed SMLEs are actually not that common in games surprisingly, I normally see Allied players with Springfields, Ross, M1 carbine or Garand if its BR III.

I’d also add in regards to Siamese SMLEs, the source here says most were destroyed or were not suited to the jungle environment. There is no indication of Thai or Japanese forces using them in combat.

And given the King’s study in England and admiration of a British weapon plus business dealings with the BSA I dont think its right giving the Axis this weapon. (It would be like giving an Italian or German weapon used by a Vichy French colony to the Allies)

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We have prototypes from the late 1890s, many prototypes from WWI and many more prototypes from the interwar period, so this isn’t a problem.

Sorry I dont understand the argument here.

This isnt a prototype I meant we dont need everyone getting 10 round bolt actions because they werent a thing besides the Lee Enfield rifles and I stated my reasons why its OKAY for Allies to be the only ones with .303s.

DF wants to balance all nations, that’s why we have jets, assault rifles and SF for all nations, so it’s only a matter of time before we have bolt-action rifles with more than 5 rounds in the TT of Japan and the USSR.

And I’d rather have a weapon of which 10,000 units were purchased than have prototypes.

Okay but we must push back against this ridiculousness.

All the more reason to support a Siamese Mauser rather than .303

I don’t think that the Western Allies having a 10 round bolt action rifle has a very noticable effect on game balance, especially considering that semi-autos also exist at the same BR.

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I’m not opposed to copy and paste if it makes sense