it doesnt change that they are insanely good and easy to use it will just not let you mag dump people for 10 hours but yk what less ammo will lead to? engineer squad cycle so in the end the problem wasnt solved
Agreed.
There’s a reason all militaries abandoned the idea of a full auto full cartridge battle rifle.
AVT was converted back to SVT, AVS was discontinued, T20 was cancelled, Autohei was cancelled, etc.
There’s a reason intermediate cartridge was the go-to way after WW2: from AK to from SKS to RPD, the firearms world mostly didn’t want the full cartridge for infantryman weapons.
After full cartridge M14 failed, M16 with 5.56 worked.
In their current state in the game, SF rifles offer MG cartridge, AR recoil and SMG mobility, being both too meta and not WW2-like.
In fact, I wish SVT-40 and AVT-40 were alternatives to each other.
You either go for better precision or full auto capability.
AVT semi auto could even be worse than SVT due to heavily worn out barrel, for instance.
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just build ammo boxes and nothing changes
I guess I didn’t make it clear that I want both. Nerf the recoil, nerf the ammo, start in semi auto, make the user infertile, etc etc
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Engineer squad cycle is preferable to rifleman squad cycle.
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Can you ecpamd on this? What do you mean by recoil/s?
How is changing something changing nothing? Also It was only a QOL change vecause everyother SF rifle started in Auto. If they had all started in Semi from the start there wouldve been no quality of life change.
Also im not concerned with QOL for a weapon class that has just ruined the Meta and only Veteran players have. Its like you guys @TUSUPOLISI69 @戈кıуo人 just want to seal club players that are still climbing up through the ranks.
Balance is paramount and if that means you have to deliberately switch your squad deleter from semi-delete to full-delete every time you spawn than so be it. Because sometimes you will forget and that will give the BRIV player youre clubbing a fighting chance. If it annoys you every single time, good. Im sure it annoys BRIV players when their Squad gets deleted from 150m away in a split second.
Yes, for sealclubbing purposes I suggested to increase the recoil to twice higher than it currently is.
So because ive already gone thru the TT, im supposed to suffer inconvenience of semi-auto due to other players ?
Because for example these said players just cant switch to lower BR if they cant compete in BR4-5.
Generally the “punishment” is absolutely wrong way to do anything.
If you wish ppl to use semi-auto, then you should suggest the auto-fire to have so high recoil that its viable option only at balls touching range giving a reasonable reason to switch to semi.
If only there was a way to play in lower BR’s.
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I agree with your recoil take. But the aproach of punishing lower players is just bad. The last thing you want to do after grinding a good BRIV weapon is retreating to BR3 and not playing the weapon you just spent hours to unlock.
This is kind of your own choice. Just like switching to semi or not should be.
Alternatively we could introduce this lovely captcha system for BR’s that are in risk of being uptiered.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AYbyDHrAOTY
Finish that ~8 times so we can be entirely sure you are about to be uptiered and willing to play so.
Fun times for everyone.
I’m of the opinion that SF rifles should be used as a semi automatic rifle in 90% of situations and only be flipped on full auto in the other 10% of the time during a “OH SHIT” moment of an enemy coming in for a kiss
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If i wanted to seal club i would play br 1 tho lol weapons starting in semi is just annoying but sure thing if you do it for every SF at least and i dont get the argument with br 4 XD dude i wished people would at least have br 4 in my games but no its just bolt actions and people with a few br 5 items
and the reason for why i want more recoil is for them to take a little bit of skill to use and i would be more so infavor of an sbmm to fight equals than most people here but if you say that i only want to seal club yea sure i guess i do now
The proposed solutions in this post will accomplish absolutely nothing
If they are semi auto by default, first you annoy players, but players will still run 9 man squads and spam Y+H (like we did before all were auto)
The AVS-36’s recoil is still fairly easy to control for a barely above average player, so again, this changes nothing about the meta
I see mentions of nerfing reserve ammo, which again won’t accomplish anything, back then when semis had 1 spare reserve mag the meta was to run 2 engineer squads, and since you can run 3 on all factions this would also do nothing, as they remain OP anyways
There are ways to properly nerf these rifles however the solutions in this post certainly aren’t the way
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Recoil per second. The AVS actual recoil is essentially identical to the AVT-40
Nope, because youd just have multiple weapons that people would want to start in auto. Every user who uses those prefers them to start in auto
You can try asking for all SMGs to start in semi and see how it goes
Man I cant wait to seal club players on a tier thats unlockable only after dozens of hours of gameplay
What wpuld be a better way to nerf these weapons?
How about even more recoil then. Federov 25 level. (Not talking per shot I’m talking overall)
Ok then change it based om Recoil/s
Thats totally different because the power output and use case of the SMG is totally different from that of a Select Fire Rifle.
The masive power difference from an M1 garand to a T20 is effectivly a seal vs a club.
No that will change nothing because flips through notes players will just control the recoil more betterer.
The feed back about this is very counter intuitive
How can making the weapons worse to use not change anything?
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Eh? I agree the problem with current SF’s is that they are waaaaaaaaay easy to use.
To increase the difficulty to use, idk more recoil sounds quite logical choise ?
If the issue is ppl becoming better players, perhaps we should start to ban good players.
Sounds about good as forcing semi.
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Sooo make SF rifles not easy to control?
The cartridge was way too powerful for those rifles.
SF rifles shouldn’t be the default option for BR5.
There should be the need to choose between AR, SMG, MG and SF.
3x9 SF shouldn’t be the default meta, SFs were a rare sight in WW2.
A player should sacrifice something by choosing an SF, not win in everything: damage, mobility, recoil, spread, availability.
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Thank you. Again another slew of good reasons to increase the recoil.
Curiously seems like the horizontal recoil should be higher than the vertical recoil.