Replacement for the Sd. Kfz. 7 and MG 131, and a few other things

1)REPLACEMENT FOR SD. KFZ. 7

As I have said on the subreddit a few days ago, I am sure that the devs took some WT vehicles that they modified to make them APCs:
-the japanese truck is the Type 94 SPAAG in WT
-the american truck is the Katyusha/Andryusha in WT
-the soviet truck is the GAZ-AAA SPAAGs in WT
-the german half-track is the Sd. Kfz. 6/2 SPAAG in WT

Pics so you can see for yourself:
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And I am fine with the fact that you want to cut costs if you can. But there are a few problems with the german APC: first, it is way less fast and maneuverable than the other trucks of the other nations, and the second problem, is the fact that this is an artillery tractor and not an infantry transport. Sure, there are seats on it, but these are for the soldiers manning the gun that this halftrack was supposed to tow. Another argument for this is the fact that these vehicles were literally called “Zugkraftwagen”, which means “pulling force vehicle”.

Why a 6-wheeled truck you ask ? Because I think that the devs likely chose these trucks because they have enough place to fit 15 soldiers (APC squad of 6 soldiers, and an entire other squad, so 9 more soldiers maximum). I think they didn’t choose the Opel Blitz for the tree because it would be too small. The max capacity for the tree APC is of 15 soldiers, but premium/event APC squads can have more or less soldiers, 15 soldiers seems to be the standard for the tree APC squads.

At first, I was gonna show you a list of 6-wheeled trucks from the website http://www.wardrawings.be/ which is well-known by this community now, but I have found an excellent webiste listing all the vehicles used by Germany during WW2 that are not tanks or using a tank chassis, but basically everything else using wheels and/or tracks. Here:
https://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_english/homepage_english.html
Go check it, you won’t regret it. Some vehicles do not have an article, but they are at least in the list, and it is always useful to have the exact designation in german (because they can be quite complex and hard to remember, lol).

I see some feedack that says that my 6-wheeled truck argument might not be very relevant. I can understand that. And some people also want the Opel Blitz in the tech tree in addition or in replacement of the Sd. Kfz.7, because it is very iconic. I could also add personally that the american truck bothers me a bit for that same argument, because while the Studebaker truck was indeed made in the US and used by the US Army, the most iconic american truck used by them during WW2 was the GMC’s truck lineup. So, a GMC truck in the USA tree might be welcome !

2)REPLACEMENT FOR MG 131

The gun, as it is right now in game on its tripod, is completely fictional. The MG 131 was indeed used in as a ground MG late during the war, but it seems to have been an extremely rare occurrence, because the fact that this gun used an electric primer certainly did not help to convert it in a ground role.
The gun as it is right now:
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The few pics I could find of a ground version:
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As you can see, it was used on some weird makeshift AA mount, or as an LMG with a bipod (the recoil must have been terrible, lol).
I also often see on the forum/subreddit, that some people complain that it is OP compared to other nation’s HMGs. And I have a more realistic replacement for this fictional gun:

The ZB-60 HMG

Made by Czechoslovakia before the war, the captured guns would be used by Germany as a HMG, or an AA MG. Sure, there were only a few hundreds in service in the Wehrmacht and Kriegsmarine, but it was still more used than a fictional gun ! The gun fired a 15x104mm cartridge, with a rate of fire of 420 RPM, and it used 40 rounds belts (or 25 round belts in UK service). Here are pics of the gun:
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Given the weapons characteristics, it would be very similar ingame to the Type 93 for Japan: slow ROF, but pretty much a one-shot kill every time you hit an enemy. The link where I found the data and pics: https://weaponsystems.net/system/1675-ZB-60

I also see some feedack that says that this gun’s position is too low, and yes, as it is in the pics, the gun is low, but in game, most of the MGs/HMGs that you can build are installed on wooden crates to elevate it, so I don’t think it would be a big problem for the devs to add wooden crates under the gun to elevate it. Or you can remove the crate for all MGs/HMGs for all factions, so all the MG/HMG nests have a lower profile. That’s another idea too.

3)REPLACE THE TRIPOD AND SIGHTS OF THE DSHK

Here too, the devs likely wanted to cut the costs and likely took the model of this MG from the soviet SPAAG in WT (you will see in the next suggestion why I am sure it is the case):
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As I said, I am fine if you want to cut costs, but not if it makes the game less accurate, because the DShK ingame uses the AA mount and AA sights, which is really inaccurate, because, in an anti-infantry role, the DShk used another mount, and it certainly didn’t use the fragile AA sights. This was the actual mount in anti-infantry role, just like the other soviet MGs during WW2:
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Look, I’m not asking you to throw the actual DShK model into the trash, because, maybe you could give all squads the possibility to build an AA MG to help fight against aircraft ? While only certain squads could build proper, more efficient AA guns, just like it is right now, the other squads could use a less powerful AA HMG, but of course, these MGs would have no gun depression, to avoid it from being used against infantry, because nobody wants the game to turn into an HMG nest spam fest.

4)FIX THE TYPE 98 AA GUN TRIPOD

As I told you above, the devs took some guns straight from WT SPAAGs to cut costs, and this is particularly visible on the buildable Type 98 AA gun for Japan. The gun should look like this:
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Wheels could be removed for better rotation, because obviously they are a hindrance if you want a 360° rotation.
But right now, the gun looks like this:
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Can you see now ? They literally took the gun from the japanese SPAAG in WT, because it is still mounted on the support from the back of the truck, you can even see where the screws are placed !
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So, please, I beg of you, fix this, because I can’t unsee this, and it is extremely disturbing.

5)LITTLE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE TYPE 93 HMG

This is not a big request, but right now the gun ingame looks like this:
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It looks like this gun is mounted in an AA disposition, because you can see that there is a lot of room for elevation, but this HMG could also be used in an inverted position, like this:
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As you can see, it is now in a lower profile position, and also it is inverted on the mount, so the gun can have way more depression as a result. You can get this result by slightly altering the ingame tripod.
Here, exact same gun, exact same tripod, but the gun is inverted:
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Note: the tripod in the pics shown above is different from the one used in game: ingame, the tripod’s legs are tubular, while in the pics, the tripod legs are rectangular.
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But overall, I think the MG and HMG nests should have more depression to the gun, because you generally want to build these guns on higher positions to better see the battlefield, and I don’t count the number of times when I built a MG/HMG nest in a high position, and it was completely useless because the gun had a terrible depression, which is inaccurate and also infuriating, because you spend some precious time and resources in a dangerous spot to build it, and it is completely useless in the end !

So yeah, please consider the suggestion to make MG/HMG nests have more gun depression; and maybe introduce a type of buildable AA HMG for all squads, which is on a high tripod (and you are very exposed as a result), with 360° rotation and no sandbags to protect you, and also no depression so it can’t be used by some players against infantry. All of these parameters would avoid players to try to exploit this new gun in an anti-infantry role instead of the AA role it is supposed to have.

That’s it for now ! It took me quite some time to make this post.

Share your thoughts about these suggestions, and don’t forget that your likes give more visibility to this topic, so more chances that the devs will consider these !

Thanks ! :slightly_smiling_face:

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Universal Carrier sure is roomy.

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I said specifically the tree APCs, this is an event squad, so there is that, and it has less places than the tech tree trucks (sure, only one less seat, but the squad in itself has only 4 soldiers).

Boy, that’s a lot to take in, alright here goes:

A artillery transport vehicle as a infantry transport was always a bit silly to me. My take on this suggestion though? It can stay, but they should also add the Opel Blitz to the tech tree, they can folder in the Sd. Kfz. 7 under the Opel, I want the iconic stuff in the game please!

I really couldn’t care less about the “15 soldier capacity” thing (I don’t believe it to be the reason it wasn’t added to begin with either, it’s a combination of lazy porting of models as you suggested, and that they’re afraid that player Opel Blitz trucks could be confused with map objects depicting the same truck), for one it still has a large capacity to carry soldiers even if a little smaller in comparison and secondly it’s not like the soldiers couldn’t squeeze in a little, eh? To borrow a Swedish phrase; “om det finns hjärterrum så finns det stjärterrum”/“If there is room in the heart then there is room for the butt”, a humourous phrase used when trying to fit in more people around a table or on a bench/sofa or indeed in the back of a car.


No idea what to do about this one honestly. Its current mount is probably made up, but the other ones aren’t better alternatives when it comes to fitting on a sandbag-bench, maybe the bipod would work (would put the soldier lower down, which is a bonus) but then the stationary gun principle of a tripod mount is gone…

I think, perhaps, due to a lack of alternatives… maybe we should let sleeping dogs lie?


Interesting gun, 15mm HMG sounds like it would be very fun to shoot, problem is that all of its mounting systems (as you showed here at least) are a bit too big to be viable as a current MG nest, it could work as a sort of “light AA” present on all squads (or at least the MG squad), but then we’d have to give such things to other nations other than just Germany (the same gun was used by the UK and by the US by extention, no idea about the other nations).

Not saying “no” directly to this concept, but I think you should cook on this idea a bit more, and make a seperate suggestion on it… it needs more time to zimmer.


I hate spiderweb sights, I approve :+1:. And gun in ground role should have ground sights, makes perfect sense.


Three legged Type 98? Makes sense, approved.


Inverted Type 93 would be dope, very sad that when I placed it on a second story building that I couldn’t cover the area outside that I wanted, -7 degrees depression might as well be zero. I’d use all MG/HMG nests more if I could get some more depression on them (Japanese MG and US MGs as a whole are god-tier at -25, I love them).

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I want the quad Maxim milk truck.

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Ensures delivery of the finest soviet milk. (Still need milk delivery features for current milk trucks.)

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OMG THIS, I HATE THIS SO MUCH, I keep forgetting it and building a HMG or MMG or the first floor of a building, only to not be able to shoot down which is mental.

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Glad you agree on most things ! The ZB-60 would replace the MG 131 in my suggestion, just to be clear. I’ll edit my message because I put the name in strong text, so it might be confusing because only my other suggestions titles are in strong text too.

For the inverted Type 93, I was sure I saw more pics of it, but couldn’t find them when writing this.

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I mean, DShK should be in the exact same spot as Type 93? Its mount doesn’t change when it switches its configurations, wheels and shield just get removed.
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There is a version with the aa gun in the mod editor

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I know. Enlisted IMFDB, mounted weapons section, 3.7 cm Flak. That is the model from WT.

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Good remark, but as you can see, several parts have been removed from the carriage, and the gun has been greatly elevated to allow much more elevation of the gun. As you can see, the carriage is used as it is against infantry: you can see that there is a small metal seat at the rear of the carriage, you can even see it on the ingame model. In an anti-infantry role, you don’t bother to deploy the tripod in AA position, it takes a lot of time, and you have a way higher profile, which makes you vulnerable. Instead, you just orientate the carriage in the direction where the enemy is, you put your ass on the metal seat, and you shoot in a sitting position.

The DShK is more of a HMG that could be used as a AA MG, while the Type 93 is more of a AA MG that could be used as a HMG. As you saw on the pic in my post, it looks like the tripod could be lowered and the gun mounted in an inverted position for better ergonomics as a HMG.

Plus, the fact that when you are standing in an AA configuration gives you a lot of elevation, but the depression is very low, because you are not supposed to shoot anything else than targets in the sky. Just look at the WT crew model when you try to shoot low, there is nearly 0 depression to the gun, and if there was more depression, the guy would have to be standing on tiptoe to shoot low, lol.

No, in an anti-infantry role, you want more depression than elevation, because you put the MG on a position where you can see targets from far away, so in an elevated spot, so you want to be able to shoot positions beneath you.

Hope this helped !

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I have added a few sentences (ideas/remarks) to the Sd. Kfz. 7, MG 131, and Type 93 sections. I also added one more pic to the Type 93 section.

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i had a sudden realization, could the wheels in the back of the original Type 94 model (the ones that were also clipping with the benches) be the ones meant to be go on Type 98 that they never removed before replacing the truck model entirely?

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Oh, they did that ? Yeah, the two wooden wheels behind th cab of the SPAAG model in WT are the wheels of the Type 98 gun if the crew wanted to disembark the gun. I never noticed that these wheels were still present before in enlisted, in fact, I had not noticed at all that they changed the truck model, lol. When was this done, just to be curious ? :rofl:

when they introduced the APCs to the game, they still reused WT models, I remember making fun of it

I don’t remember when exactly the new higher quality models were added, but it was done in some of the major updates afterwards, they did fix the wheels eventually, but it explains why they were there in the first place

EDIT: found when, like half a year after apcs were introduced: Update "Rzhev"

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Oh my.
The devs really don’t want to beat the laziness allegations. :rofl:

I have edited my first post by removing this pic, which is very likely the original french Hotchkiss MG (the stock and the grip seem a bit different), and not the Type 93, so the japanese probably never used this tripod mount:
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Sorry for the mistake.
Also, I have added a few more pics of the Type 93 on the tripod, but there is something that bothers me, and it is the fact that everywhere that I search, I can’t find any pic of the gun in this disposition, which is the one that interests us the most for its high depression angle :
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I have decided not erase this pic in my first post because it seems like a legit WW2 pic of this gun, which proves that it could be mounted like that, but I can’t find any other pics of the gun mounted that way, only other pics where it is mounted that way:
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Does anyone have any other pics of the Type 93 mounted just like in the black and white photo (with the high depression angle), or does anyone have any explanation why it is mounted in such a way ?

It’s all good, but…

It’s a bit too much, isn’t it?

I don’t really think so. After all, all the HMGs ingame can already destroy light tanks, even the MG 131 in 13.2 mm on the fictional mount, and all HMGs also only need one hit for a kill, so this gun could be like the japanese Type 93 with its slow rate of fire. Given the fact that people think the MG 131 is OP, and the fact that all HMGs are a one hit kill, I deduce that the problem of the MG 131 is its very high rate of fire. Plus add the fact that the mount ingame is completely fictional, I think it would be reasonable to replace it with the ZB-60, because it would give the german HMG nest a reasonable “nerf”, while also being more realistic by replacing it with a “real” MG.

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