So, you claim that this affects gameplay, and significantly so, so it needs to be removed.
I claim that it has minimal or no impact on gameplay. Therefore, we can leave it in place for now, or change nothing.
Quite logical.
Guys, we’re talking about hundredths of a second.
Does this have an impact? Absolutely. But that’s where your evidence ends. You’re simply saying, “It has an impact,” “I don’t like it,” so let’s remove it.
Why do you think this matters to me? We’re talking about computer games on a forum, you know, DAMN GAMES. This isn’t world politics, not a forum about saving the world from universal evil. I think you’re being a bit dramatic.
It also affects german weapon damage values. They are artificially increased to compensate. If you’re okay with reducing damage of your guns to remove the body armor then that’s fair. Otherwise it just favors germany like everything else y’all vote for
So anyone who losses to me is a Even worse noob
X D guess is fair and i got a new way to blame people and specially the fucking soviet teams
Think whatever You want but germans and japanese playerbase are still proving that no matter if they are handicaped or enemy have Best gear they Will still crush them no matter what sice they got the most important stuff that their enemies don’t have (common sense, rallies and a funcional brain)
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, germany has more skilled players than anyone else. Japan has fewer skilled players, but their ratio of good to bad players is extremely high compared to russia and allies.
I’d like to comment on this point. The Germans and Japanese aren’t weak either. The Breretta 1918, for example, easily takes on cuirassiers. It’s just that, with rare exceptions, Soviet SMGs kill literally everything with three bullets, and they either don’t have a rate-of-fire advantage, or the advantage isn’t that great.
However, I suggest burying the hatchet. I’ve done some research and concluded that the Cuirass is no longer necessary. There are some things that can be corrected later.
The only question is what’s the best course of action. I would still like to return the resources spent on the cuirasses; after all, I got most of them for money. And I don’t like the look of them either. Event squads and premium squads of the USSR and Japan naturally retain all their bonuses.
That’s all for now.
Yes, but top loaded guns with their bad sight picture are overperforming as a trade off - also they have somewhat small mags.
In BR5 and in BR4 armor doesn’t matter, Kiraly and STG have high enough damage and time to kill where this doesn’t matter. Well damage drop does matter, but at longer ranges a advantage can be dealt with by staying more in cover - or so to speak the time to kill is slow enough that you can play slower accordingly - but in close range where miliseconds matter, you have to be able to take out a threat fast, which is especially problematic with semi auto rifles. Every semi auto that gets stopped by body armor is completely worthless, because those simply cant reliably defend themselves from assaulters that play aggressively.
BR3 isnt an issue either, ZK-383 is amazing and even one bullet getting stopped turns the gun from S+ tier to A tier in my book.
BR2 is a different story, PPS43/42 are somewhat fair game compared to current top BR2 Beretta, but with armor considered its worse than those up close, aswell as at longer range. One could make the argument that it has a 40 rounder magazine, which indeed is nice, but 35 rounder mags from PPS aren’t small neither.
In other words, Soviet body armor gives soviets the range advantage because of higher effective damage drop - which is unfair, but the close range impact it has one “some” specific weapons like G41, Armaguerra and slow RPM SMGS like MP40 … yeah those are effected by armor much more.
Well I was under the impression you were here to persuade people instead of just aimlessly whining. sorry i was mistaken
The Lanchester has the exact same damage as 75% of Axis SMGs. What is getting artificially increased here?
Okay, little thought experiment:
What would you think if PPS43 would get nerfed to deal 4.4 damage? Because thats what it takes for it to drop from 3 hit kill to 4 hit kill?
Well, you really had to contrive to come up with that analogy, since all Soviet weapons already kill in 3 bullets, unlike German ones.
Will German players want the damage of all their weapons reduced to 6.6 or 6.7 after the removal of cuirasses? The question is rhetorical.
Pls answer my question first honestly.
To make it more specific:
Would you use unnerfed BR1 PPD over this nerfed PPS43?
Should all weapons with 6.8 damage be reduced to 6.6? Because that affects the allies as well who have no reason to have that damage if it was indeed a response to body armour
Is that so?
I got news for you, German SMGs deal around 6.2 dmg because of armor, while Soviet SMGs deal 6.7 damage.
Yeah nice try. Pps43 doesn’t shoot twice as fast as what’s being used by germany. So this “thought experiment” literally proves nothing nor makes any damn sense what so ever.
People don’t even main the 43 to begin with. 42 is the most used. Which Germany has half a dozen smgs from bp/event/ premmy that shoot at the same fire rate and a few that shoot even faster. Mas38 is better than both 42 and 43. Germany also has some guns that shoot just below the 690 in TT with much better recoil and bigger mags
Sure if the soviet & murrican gets the same tretment.
Namely the pps that should have ~600 rof but has 800 gets nerfed to beretta / Mp40 level.
And obviously, nerfing the .45 cal smg’s to same dmg as 9mm since for what ever reason you incist the 7.62 tokarev does same as 9mm.
Otherwise it just favors soviets like everything else you conveniently to forget to take in account.
Incredible how everything you just said was wrong
The only 2 weapons that shoot faster are Beretta and OVP 1918, both which have top loaded magazines and 25 rounds in magazine
Broski it takes 1 minute to check it and instead you prefer to make a clown out of yourself?
Also the ‘much better recoil’ is 1/1 difference between Beretta 38/40 and PPS-43
Only if youre fodder
Twice? So MP40 deals double the damage? Didnt know that.
Anyways this discussion has gone far enough, it is very clear that you guys just want to play unfair, cuz you folks cant win without help.
No one in his right mind can defend this 100% obvious bias. Its good to see how you aren’t even trying to have a discussion with me, right away avoiding my question as if I have already proven my point.
Guess I’ll go play bot games now. Balance… what a joke.
Dude, I answered your question before you even asked it. Read carefully, there’s no point in arguing.
However, I suggest burying the hatchet. I’ve done some research and concluded that the Cuirass is no longer necessary. There are some things that can be corrected later.
The only question is what’s the best course of action. I would still like to return the resources spent on the cuirasses; after all, I got most of them for money. And I don’t like the look of them either. Event squads and premium squads of the USSR and Japan naturally retain all their bonuses.
That’s all for now.