MP44 and Fedorov for Japan

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I know someone’s going to kill me for what I’m about to explain, but what I’m saying is absolutely true. Let’s take it one step at a time: I don’t remember exactly where I read this story, but it seems that along with the famous tank we now have in the game, several MP44s were purchased. I have a document here from that period that proves the purchase of this weapon. It’s known that Germany shared some of its technology with Japan, and that they used it to develop some of their aircraft, as happened with the Stuka, of which there are photos, among other things, let me share the original document:
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I know they are more pages but it’s the basic part about it

About Fedorov Rifle: (they also captured AVT)
Article. “Captured Soviet AF and ABC-36 rifles after the battles at Lake Hasan”
Archive “Army Department Main Records” Main Records. Section B. full edition. 1938.

Record No. 3686. Weapons Department. Small Arms Bureau. "Samples of Russian-type small arms received at the end of military operations in the border area near Lake Hasan 張鼓峰事 (Tyo Hokoto) were transferred. Date of receipt of sample: December 8, 1938.
Record No. 7576. December 22, 1938. An order signed by Rikyu Hiroshi, Adjutant for Army Supply (at the Air Force Headquarters) to the Technical Supply Department. “Conduct a general inspection, description, measurements and drawings, and operating diagrams of the mechanisms of the received sample of the automatic rifle. Received on December 8, 1938 from the Department of Registration and Collection of Captured Weapons in a set: an automatic rifle “Fuedorofu” type 1925 (フェドロフ 1925式), a signal pistol (flare gun), an automatic pistol type “Korofuin”, a pistol type “Nagant”. The automatic rifle (as written) “Fuedorofu” has damage.” Further in the Japanese documents there is a brief description and final conclusions after the inspection and testing. But already under the name “Sakarofu” (Japanese name Simonov ABC-36).

Archive “Army Department Main Records” Main Records. Complete edition of 14 books. 1940.
Kwantung Army. General Department of Leadership. Section 2 of the Higher Leadership. Rikyu Mitsuru Hisoka.

Record No. 1592. A total of 2 (two) devices (rifles, mechanisms) were tested, 4 shots were fired each. Data from the automatic rifle received from the post “Sumoriyaka” (Smuglyanka), which was used by Soviet border guards during the illegal border conflict at Lake Hasan 張鼓峰事 (Tyo Hokoto). The “Sakarōfu” rifles are automatic and equipped with a detachable magazine, real and complete experiments were carried out to study the operation of the mechanisms.
The report was sent on September 30, 1940, in response to a request from the General Administration of the Kwantung Army, Department 2 of the High Command of the Army, Isomura Take Akira (Deputy), a copy of the report to the Anami Security Administration. It is necessary to send the report with a sample of the tested rifle “Sakarofu Corps No. 2” (rifle ABC-36 under the number No. 2) that passed the full and real test cycle for Kyu Aritaruni for exhibiting (exhibition?) ".

Further in the Japanese text.
These rifles are listed in the reports as “Sakarofu” (ABC-36), in reality, samples of rifles “Fuedorofu” (Fedorov m1925) for 6.5 mm cartridges were received.
The rifles arrived from the border police units on August 21, part of the troops of Ushijima, whose headquarters was located in Tianjin in Senda.
The appearance of the rifle “Sakarofu” Simonov m1936 in the Soviet army is noted and cited in “Khasan incident military trophies”, Soviet army “weapons, photos from the manual”
Japanese Center of Asia Historical records Reference code: C01003423800

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I would add them ass possible event/TT stuff

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You should add those two options in the pool, people will just vote NO considering no one likes captured foreign weapons in TTs

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Agreed, it’s more preferable to have captured equipment event or premium instead.

Yeahh I actually would like to see Fedorovs as an event weapon, would be perfect for Manchuria as even it was said that apparently Japanese captured it there

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I definitely won’t be against that, hell, maybe that could be the Japanese assault engineers weapon (however that would un fair cause the soviets and Germans ones can change theirs)

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murica,germany and jaoan sith ofenzhor…

Event totally fine.

TT? FK no. Enough copy cat paste

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and the worse is it exist a report about not sure if it was panzershreck or panzefaust with mp 40 too

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Yes in the context as an event item. I think that would be the best way to handle captured weapons.

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Well JP do lack the assault rifle, so why not.

I get that; I just dont think captured weapons should be in the TT. ‘Sold’ is a half step. but if Japan ends up with basically German weapon packages (MP44, Pzshreck) than how is it really different than playing axis? We already have the event Tiger I.

The only MAYBE exception is Pzf60, as very many were captured, but even then there are tons of soviet designs that even exceed german AT in power; same for US and Japan.

Captured / identical weapons should be extremely minimal in the TT. The only reason is to keep the factions from looking completely identical. But I think its deff important enough reason to have this.


Captured, copy cat weapons need to be event/premium only. In cases where it really matters (BR3-4 AT) we definitely have enough national range in Soviet, Japan and Allied research to have viable substitutes.

and what you would add as TT?, japan as far I know don’t have (my memory is good) a proper assault rifle till post ww2

Maps are different.

Then again, one could argue the “uniqueness” has dimished quite alot.
For example everyone has now assault rifles except the JP.
And to be fair, I think the fact that they function rather similarly without massive differencies plays a bigger role than the skins that its arguably the biggest differency.

Yet people play what ever faction they chose.

You could also just punch us in the face

itd be hilarious of japan got this fedorov with the busted stock and it had horrible recoil

type 2 smg in the experimental 6.5x30 cartridge
image

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Experimental Submachine Gun Type II A

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30 or 35 rounds
6.5x30mm caliber

Or

The 30-round version of the Type 2 that’s in BR4

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(This is the 50-round version that’s in BR4, although it looks different, but it had the option of Mag with 30-rounds.

STG 44 and Fedorov Avtomat can be weapons for event squads.

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Point in case, everyone fucking hates it, especially for Japan with how lazy that shitty manourve was.

As for the suggestion, if you can find a single image of Japanese troops using an AVS or fedorov in combat, it would justify it as an event weapon, with no more than 1 or 2 copies.

For the STG, unless it was physically shipped to Japan, I dont even want it as an event item, not to mention, it just kills the vibe, it looks and feels wrong.

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It’s quite likely the same story as the Japanese Tiger; it was bought by the Japanese, but crossing the sea was impossible due to Allied naval dominance, so when D-Day arrived The Germans bought it back, that’s just my assumption, nobody knows what happened after the purchase.

AK-47 aside, JP fights murrica that has hyde / T20.
So in that sense the so called vibe is already gone in JP vs murrica games.
Neither of the weapons, far as I know never were anywhere near actual combat.
So it boils down to murrica having weapons it did posses but never used.
So its not that different JP having STG, sure they owned some, never used a single one.