The PPS-43 rate of fire is far too high for br2 gun and it doesn’t fit with the historical documentation of the PPS-43 according to a Soviet Manual from 1944 on the PPS-43
With the new lower rate of fire it would be
650 rpm and upgraded it’d be 750rpm
To its none historical rof where it was 709 rpm and upgraded to 800 rpm which is far too high for the smg
Plus as a side benefit it would make the gun more balanced to fight against
Just in case, these 14 smgs have rof comparable to the PPS-43 on BR1-2:
Shpitalniy, PPK-42, PPD-34, 3xThompson, UD-42, Owen, Mas-38, Beretta, OVP, 3xType 100
All of those have some sort of downside. Worse mag size, worse damage, or worse velocity. The PPS43 is far more well rounded without such downsides, making it far more dominant. Calling something like the OVP comparable is deluded.
That is why, when creating a suggestions, it is so important to write about all aspects that may affect the forwarding them. The same topic only talks about OP rate of fire, and I just showed that this is not entirely true.
I think you could’ve have expanded more to avoid the confusion
But the main issue I think he was trying to make tho that all of the other smgs have some sort of draw back like velocity, Ammo, recoil, mag size ect
Like the Thompson M1928 USMC has two major draw back (so the BSA one) is that ammo gives it a very low velocity and a very small magazine while the PPS-43 it does less dmg but it’s makes up for magazine size and velocity and accuracy the likes but the
Main problem with it that it’s just. Better than everyone in TT state alone in br1-2 it just wipes everything out owen mk1 gets out competed by it even tho MY goal wasn’t to nerf but to get a more historically accurate rof
Like the owen
We are told by certain moderators that changes can’t be made unless there is historical documents to back up the request. This, at least looks like historical documents, however, I wouldn’t hold my breath that the Dev’s will change the PPS-43. I pointed out that the PPS-43 should have a ROF reduction about a year or so ago when I was commenting on the FNAB 43 needing an increase in ROF.
I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem that the Dev’s have much interest in nerfing the soviets. How long have people bitched about body armor advantage with nothing ever being done? My guess is that even with historical documentation, the PPS-43 won’t get changed either.
Im mixed on this suggestion.
For one, PPS-43 should have been moved to BR3 with a minor buff long ago instead of adding other powercreep guns like M1A1 Thompson or Type 100 (early) to BR2.
These 3 SMGs make 12 other SMGs on BR2 worthless. My opinion is that all 3 needs to be either nerfed or moved to BR3.
However neither does the minor fire rate nerf on PPS-43 solve the issue with it (and I mean the PPS-43 only) nor Im sure that the fire rate is realistic.
The Mas 36 is the rifle the 38 is the smg even then the 6.2 dmg makes it not BR3 material unless we increase the dmg then I don’t see it being any higher than br2
Yeah but they do this based off of Historical Documents and I really don’t trust LAI bc ammunition changed so much between 1938 to now even then Ian and other show their PPS-43 having a significantly lower rate of fire
So trusting these aren’t a great source but we should look towards things like manuals, documentation ect which show a more accurate type of rof in that era
…YES IS DOES!
First listen Italians used a ammo type I don’t think we make in mass anymore called 9mm glisenti, which was a less powerful 9x19 caliber which means the Italian guns that shot this usually had a lower rof.
Oh plus back then powers were more refined but still got you different results, example there’s two different types of 8mm Mauser you have if I feed one of the two into my German made MG-42, there’s a 1/2 chance of it seizing up bc one of them were made in Kingdom of Yugoslavia yeah theyre the same on paper but reality one was far more hotter which cause it the seize up, due to qualities of the gun powder it used which is why the Zastava M53 happened.
Especially with stuff like pistol calibers they change up Germany made two different typed of 9mm one for handguns one for SMGs difference is powders.
Hell in the gun community is known you can make your automatic smg shoot FASTER by feeding the gun higher grain rounds, which with stuff like this show that current day stuff isn’t reliable.
All are randomly selected when I typed “PPS-43 shooting” on YT all have different rate of fires DO YOU SEE THE ISSUE
Also keep in mind there’s also other variables, like what they did to the gun, ammo, springs, and others you and I don’t know what they did to their PPS or it’s origins but I can tell you that it doesn’t hold up to historical documentation.
That’s the reason the MP.717(r) and PPSh-41 have different rates of fire. 7.62mm Tokarev is a much hotter round than 7.63mm Mauser, and they’re interchangeable in weapons that can handle the Soviet round.
This typically results in a 10-20% reduction in rate of fire with the German 7.63mm Mauser.
Its not.
Mp717(r) is a very early production ppsh41, it’s basically a different variant altogether with it’s own fire rate.
There isn’t even a 10% difference between 7.63x25 and 7.62x25 to begin with.
My guess is that even with historical documentation, the PPS-43 won’t get changed either. 
