The Rider class is the one that should have the option to use jeeps, the “Driver” option is for trucks or armored cars, so I see that as the role for piloting a truck or a tankette, I’m going to keep saying this and complaining about it, and I’m going to draft a suggestion to change it; I’m also including my own efforts to improve the Rider class, I am against this nosense
Yeah. This is all semantics. A guy was arguing in another thread that “haven’t you ever asked someone ‘for a ride’ in a car? Rider means car.” Cool, you can definitely RIDE in a car, while that car is DRIVEN by a DRIVER.
It’s all stupid nomenclature bull. Who cares what it’s called? It shares a soldier name with soldiers who drive APCs in a completely different squad, which occupies a completely different slot limit. It’s JUST a name.
Well, if the Jeeps are only going to utilize three soldiers, I won’t use them anyway, which is the reason I don’t use the Motorcycles. Three soldiers IMOP is kind of a waste of a squad and I normally won’t use any of my squads that come with less then five, however, I would use the Jeep if it came with four.
Yeah, that’s fair, there’s no reason they couldn’t be 4 or even 5. It is a “blitz” squad, though, where you can rock up on an objective really quickly while firing a machine gun (hopefully without spinning out upside down like the TERRIBLE bikes), which as a situational squad could easily be worth more than another 5+ man specialist squad. It is 100% NOT useful for fully FTP players. If you don’t have premium or extra squad slots, no one should be taking bikes, jeeps, snipers, or saboteurs in their lineup. That’s a whole different problem, though.
What I would have done if I were implementing the Jeeps is offered the base with no guns and a four to six man squad tech tree for the rider class at BR1. Six men would be easy for a jeep with no rear seat and two men sitting on the wheel wells on both sides, which would give you two up front and four in the back. I’ve had two Jeep Wranglers and I have transported six adults, so that is not a stretch.
The second option I would have is a premium squad with the machine gun’s mounted in the back, and this would probably have a three man since two would be up front and one would be standing operating the MG.
Me personally, I would use the Jeep that carried the most people, and wouldn’t be interested in the Jeep with the MG and only three dudes. But, others might be. I have all the premium medic squads, and I won’t use the ones that only have four soldiers, but I do use the ones that come with five, so, even at four soldiers I almost have trouble justifying usage. Especially when I can use my APC and have what, six? I don’t even use the universal carriers because they only have four.
Yeah, i get it, but the argument going around of “APC is better, why would i use this?” is misleading. You can only bring 1 APC. You can bring 1 or 2 (once there ARE 2 available…) jeeps in addition to the APC. And squads cycle every 3.
Point being if you spawn APC and it gets BLOWED up, you might have the option to rush back towards the point in a jeep with an MG when no nearby rally points are available, when you’re still waiting on APC squad being available for respawn.
Now, i fully agree that 3 is too few soldiers, even with the added ability to cap points from the vehicle and the low recoil mg. It should come with 4 and upgrade to 5 (or at worst 3 to 4). But most peoples’ arguments against it are “APC IS BETTER” or something to that effect, which isn’t relevant in any real context.
I rarely use my APC’s for that matter, but I do steal Jeeps and buses on the battlefield to get from point A to point B. It is safer for my AI squad bots since not a one of them can cross a street without either dying or getting wounded, so, at least this way I can transport them closer to the cap point where they will just die stupidly there.
I would use the Jeep, but for me it would just be transportation, so, a three man and a MG would be no option for me. In my five years of playing, I only have “ONE” motorcycle kill, “ONE”, so that tells you how much use they get, and a three man Jeep would get the same.
A four man Jeep that could carry additional Ammo and medical kits would be nice, and I would much prefer that over a three man carrying an MG. Four man with ammo and med kit at BR1 is where I would put it, but we will be stuck with three men and an MG at BR2 because the Dev’s never listen to me. So, the new update will come, and the Jeep will never be used…By me anyway.
Bruv. I played an empty custom game today during work hours () to get some BP tasks done because i haven’t had much time to play lately, and it was “Mountain Pass” (Bulge), and there were 3 different places where bots couldn’t “pass” (ironically).
I think it’s the only time I’ve ever lost an empty custom game. None of my bot team could get to the objectives (destruction defense ) it was literally me and maybe 1-2 bots against 10 bots.
I lost a solo custom match game once. I was playing US and took the first four cap points and still had 922 dudes left. (I always play invasion in my own custom match). Anyway, I thought, I got plenty of dudes left to take ONE cap point, so I jumped into my plane to practice dive bombing. I forgot the damn game timer still runs during your own custom matches, and when it it like 550 dudes, the timer started counting down. I had just dropped bombs and was turning around, so I thought I should have enough time to make one more bombing run. My plane was a slow dive bomber. I made one more run and bailed out, and had about a minute and a half once I touched down. I got into the cap point with myself and my solo bot, but the timer ran out because I couldn’t capture the zone on my own.
I have come close a couple times to losing, mostly when the enemy AI Rambots do a Custer’s last stand hill fight and 3/4’s of my squad bots commit suicide, thus giving me one player per squad to play with. So, a couple times, I have won with less then 30 dudes left.
The horrible squad bots definitely make playing strategy a non starter.
In low BRs i prefer bots to real players most of the time. Unless they’re incapable of fighting because of map pathing issues, they regularly perform better than 6-10 placed players in a real squads match.
Normally in an all bots custom match the average kills on the enemy team is 30-45 per bot. I’ve played real squads games where outside of the top 3 on each team, the average kills per player is like 11. And more squad deaths.
It’s 100% confusion. If you go back through the first bunch of posts it’s a bunch of people screaming “WHY WOULD I TAKE THIS INSTEAD OF APC!” You wouldn’t. Because it’s not an APC squad vehicle, simply, not a replacement for APC.
I’ve noticed either 1) reading comprehension, or 2) quick to anger are common features on this forum, and HOO BOY, on the Enlisted subreddit.
) to get some BP tasks done because i haven’t had much time to play lately, and it was “Mountain Pass” (Bulge), and there were 3 different places where bots couldn’t “pass” (ironically).
) it was literally me and maybe 1-2 bots against 10 bots.