The Panzer IV/70 (A) is a tank destroyer at BR4 in the German tech tree, but is rather pointless in that rank, so I suggest lowering the rating to BR3 for a few reasons. The first reason is the armor of the tank. Despite being on the same BR and having the same gun as the Panther tanks while being a tank destroyer, it has worse armor. The flat front plate is 80mms thick, and without an angle, that means any BR3 and some BR2 tanks can easily penetrate (the BR1 M5 Rhino can just barely get through by a little with it’s APCBC shot, crazy right?)
Also, the angled plate directly below it is only 20mms thick, and the angling of the armor only makes it ~55 mms of effective armor or so depending on the angle, which most BR2 tanks can easily get through.
So it would not by any means be an unkillable beast on BR3, you’d just have to be careful with your aim.
Another matter is the use of the Panther’s gun at BR3, which may seem too strong, but remember that this is a casemate tank, and therefore has no turret and less shells compared to the Panther. So with that information in mind, I ask that the Panzer IV/70 (A) be lowered to BR3.
To be honest, all TDs needs their BRs to be lowered, right now all TDs are joke, since no one uses and they just holds slots in TT to make their factions more “grind”
seems reasonable, considering that M10 GMC Wolverine is BR3 and would be similar to Chi-Nu II once devs finally lower that to BR3.
Also USSR could get a new SU-85 TD for BR3 (same gun as SU-85M, but worse armour).
with the same reasoning the pershing and super pershing should be br4. both have armor that with careful shooting can easily be penned. not only that nut they have guns far slower firing than other guns ion the surrounding br. they both have turrets but again slow firing guns with armor that is far weaker then their ‘peers’
The weaker armor is much, much larger in this than in those 2. Both of those are BR5 tanks, as long as the Tiger E and Tiger 2 are BR5, their equivalents, which you could maybe suggest the Pershing and Tiger E to go to BR4, but they’re fine where they are, and that’s not really related to the topic. No offense, but I think you’re downplaying how much of a hinderance the casemate design is during combat or you just plain haven’t used one, having them at the same BR as normal, turreted tanks with the same gun while not having a very high armor profile is awful.
The trouble is not the tiger 2 p its the tiger 2 h
Tiger 2 h hull 150 80 80 25
Turret 185 80 80 100
Super Pershing hull 100 76 76 25
Turret 100 76 76 25 shield ,240,
Then there main gun reload 150 percent longer
Tiger 2 h has a better hull and turret save for the shield that covers a fraction the front and side of the tank and none of the top
Tiger 2 p
Hull 150 80 80 25
Turret 100 80 80 100
Tiger p has a far better hull super Pershing has a shield ok but not a great match yp
er 2 h
The super Pershing is equal to the tiger 2p the tiger 2 h needs to be removed with both the tiger e and ed to remove the togPershing need to got to br4
I would have said so first by weeaboo might have a stroke if I ask
That’s a whole different discussion to have, and honestly not one I’d really like to spend any time on right now since it isn’t relevant and I’m about to go to sleep, but this is about the Panzer IV/70 (A), not any BR5 tank. So about the suggestion itself of lowering it to BR3, what is your opinion?
Dont be ridiculous, by your standards the Tiger II H needs to be moved to BR4 as well since it has an 80mm weakspot on the hull machine gun.
I would also appreciate if you actually considered all advantages and disadvantages of each tank.
I have lots of experience fighting with and against Pershing/Superpershing tanks and I can state with confidence that they are on par with German Tiger II P and H respectively.
But if you think Tiger II vs superpesh so unfair than I want to hear your opinion on Fw-190 D vs P-47, Mr.justiceman.
I think its probably okay. Germany will never have a BR 3 Heavy tank (cos they dont have one). They tend to make up for this with Tank destroyers and Stong guns in Warthunder.
That flat plate on the front is the end of that particular tank destroyer
And in warthunder I am sure that’s true but the tiger 2 h has better hull and turret armor the the super Pershing and the super has a worse reload speed
The tiger 2p has better hull armor than the pershing and like all tiger 2 2/3 the reload time
Ok tiger2 have better armor and a better reload what do the Pershings do better
It is a bit much at max the fe190 d is comparable to six 12mm guns not right so I guess remove it from the game or lower it’s ammo next time can you give me the page or stars a lot of warthunder planes are copy paste with different load outs. So yes 20mm and 2 12mm against 8 12mm is a bit much but each have half the ammo of there German counter part.
I funnily enough am against that tank becoming more often used - because its disgustingly ugly.
I think instead they should either give BR4 Jagdpanzer L48 its more often used 80mm of armor instead of current 60mm - OR they could keep its 60mm of armor and rearm the tank with the weaker L43 gun, then it could move to BR3.
Jagdpanzer IV has not always been made to the same specs, the first prototypes indeed had 60mm of armor, but most had 80mm of armor - even those with the shorter guns.
Also a couple of Panzer IV F2 guns were used, the L43 is a bit weaker than the L48.
My guy, I dont mind your daily post of some weapon you have dug up. Some of them are pretty cool.
But its well established you arent a plane guy. Half the time you mix up the plane being talked about with something else, and often get the weaponry wrong. Just fair warning that anything you have to say about planes or plane balance…Im just going to ignore, and should be ignored by everyone
but keep those weapon posts coming.
yes it is…but it does have an excellent gun lol…bane of KV 1
