Jumbo rock

Last game last night I had to play 1 game as allies on Normandy for the last star for hte day, so I thought I’d take a Jumbo and see just how awesome it is… got the ver sure Mer (?) beach invasio - excellent chance to show off my skill… or lack thereof…

So - from the beginning - a P3 on hte left… a few shots, then a KO on the gun breach in the Jumbo - not bad for an invincible tank resisting substandard AP … I screwed up the crew management and 3 of my crew got killed outside dammit…

Got a couple of P3’s eventually - didn’t do a lot of crew casualties with AP - 4 in total I think - but did enough damage… eventually… to get them to bail out and then seems I got the last crew for each or maybe the one on fire just blew up?

The next 2 are shorter and involve just 1 enemy - P3M with the long 50 I think -

Kill 2 crew in the 1st vid, and he backs off…

In the foreground you can see a dead Puma - he just used it as an APC, dismounting the crew to defend the coastal tower - I put a couple of HE into the Puma but did no damage - someone else got the kill.

…only to come back again in a really nice hull down position behind the trenches.

The video starts maybe 20-30 secs after we started shooting at each other - we trade shots - no damage to either side.

At the end of this he’s backed off again, and I have 5 rounds of AP left - so I’ve used 47 AP rounds, for 6 crew kills and 2 vehicle kills after crews bailed out…

Frontal long range standoffs tend to become prolonged tennis matches… The jumbo will resist most of the enemy shots, but also struggle to deal significant damage at anything tougher than a Puma.

Panzer 3 and 4 frontal armour turns out to be surprisingly tough, when you shoot at them from below (unless I play them, of course).

Yeah - but in some of those engagements they other guy was on a forward slope - so pointing down - still did bupkiss…

what are you all talking about.

have you all gone mad?

have you just all gaved up?

let me make it simple, and let’s see if you can get it:


what does this mean?

( yes, war thunder vehicles and enlisted one are slighlty different ).

never heard of shite tank models? the same that planes are effected?

the same that has been complained for almost a year by now?
no?

First time?

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Yeah everyone wants to compare vehicle damage models in enlisted to WT … definitely not WT

yes, but actually no.

they are very similar. the only things that changes, are rate of fire, reload, speed, off road capability for balance of enlisted, not war thunder.

but this does delete the fact that the issue of armor is present, and always have been.

It also proves that the jumbo is not as invincible as everyone says … The only problem I have with the jumbo is that it doesn’t belong in Normandy …

i mean, also the tigers could be considered not invicible since M5s can pen it from the side, and the back.

but guess what, it is.

the jumbo is no different.

just because you can snipe his mg port, and kills SOME members, does not justify the fact that he can most likely one tap you.

in piano cases, those guys were somewhat smart and angling the tank. and piano himself angled the tank allowing the second panzer III for a gun breach.

because, once again, a tank can be measured in many ways. but it’s not accountable for those who simply does not how to play it.

let me explain better.

take as example, a non experient PZ IV H user, and a non experient Jumbo user.

both can pretty much die at any moment. but if they face each other, the jumbo will take major punishment and survive.

the same cannot be said about the PZ IV H.

so there, it’s not invincible.

now take as example an experient jumbo user, and an experient PZ IV H user.

who’s gonna win?

it really depends. but majority of the situations based on terrain, layout of the map, and routes, the jumbo.

why?

let me see.

as piano did, which it’s what 70% of jumbo users does ( maybe more ) sits in the gray area. shooting at everyone that moves.

and what chances the panzer have?

none.

the only way currently you can take out a jumbo is through sides, ( which it’s not always possible. who could have guessed ) and / or go for his mg port. for than die, and your sacrifice helped someone else that will do the same, and probably kill the jumbo.

so in majority of the cases it’s a 2v1 for dealing with a jumbo.

and keep in mind that this is still somewhat possible to manage, because the damage tanks are unconsistent.

because you would get 1 tapped with not even having the chance to react due to the armor when it’s going to be fixed.

also, as mentioned before, going for the mg port, does not change the fact that he can simply replace the dead gunner while you are still reloading and shoot you back.

which of course it’s not going to wipe all the jumbo crew.

i’m amazed how people still defend such tank that has literal no counter outside CAS.

( did i mentioned tanks are immune to rockets as well ? )

and lastly argument that people does: " just flank it ".

real commedians.

because once again, maps does not allow for flanks since the majority are straight foward. and once again, flank someone that it’s sitting in it’s spawn…

or lose major minuts just to get in a good position to shoot at the jumbo. ( where your point can get captured or you can lose because you can’t do much about it if you are attacking outside begging for CAS ).

but i don’t recall the jumbo it self flanking or loosing minuts to reposition him self just to engage german tanks, now do they?

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Well actually if you look at his video’ he only really got 2 kills in all of those exchanges … and he fired a lot of rounds himself.

It looks like one of his kills was just through attrition. Over time he managed to kill a few crew men and the rest bailed out. So a TKO if anything …

He missed a great opportunity with that first PZ that came through the woods and then crossed vertically in front of him at about the time he decided to bail out and fix his tank.

Assuming the jumbos gun was still operational he had a perfect flank shot. I wouldn’t call that PZ commander very smart for making that maneuver in front of the jumbo but he got lucky.

I know some time ago that the devs did a q&a and mentioned that the armor models needed some changing. I would like to know their assessment of the armor models now …

if I can say my opinion after watching the video, I can safely say that jumbo is perhaps the easiest tank to destroy, in enlisted but I think you know tank battles are more of a game of chess, playing without knowing the rules only lead to an immediate defeat, the battles between tanks usually end instantly the first to shoot wins regardless of whether it is a jumbo or a t34-85 but this does not mean that it is simple instead is really complex, every tank has its own specifications, the jumbo is a heavily armored tank on the front that makes it invincible in frontal fights but the simple puma can safely take it down using its superior speed (as well as any other German tank) to hit it in the side and destroy it, the point of this is that at least for now there is nothing so OP that it cannot be destroyed but that requires you to use your own brain and then let’s face it a bit of a challenge does not hurt

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As Napoleon didn’t say - it’s good to be lucky!

Even if I hadn’t bailed out I couldn’t do anything about it - the breech was destroyed, so couldn’t fire the main gun!

This whole exercise is really 'cos this guy thought quoting WT wiki was an answer -

https://forum.enlisted.net/t/normandy-is-in-great-danger-and-it-needs-your-help/21181/102?u=24811726

As I said previously … definitely not WT …

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We don’t even know about each tank shells penetration in milimeters. And don’t tell me about WT. Why the fuck I need to launch second game to check such values, when devs never confirmed anything about this.

A lot of my hits were agains the turret fronts that were shooting at me - so not angled at all in those cases - still bugger-all damage done.

Dont play normandy so im not sure, just read on forums but some people say that jumbo only has ap shots not aphe…

If so how that jumbo can just 1 tap other tanks? I mean if those jumbo drivers constantly one shots other tanks with gun that isnt best and only with solid shots then they are just best tankers in game. That might be problem not tank itself

But if jumbo have aphe then nevermind

Jumbo only has AP, and if Panzer are not from side to you, they are not such easy prey as lot of players say out here.
Tbh i rather play Panzer IV against Jumbo than another way around, as imo because of APHE it is better. Also if Jumbo tries to angle, he is OHK because of side weakspot where is ammo stored.

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