I urge the Devs to change their approach to the Johnson lmg

Recently I saw this comments by @Euthymia07-live and I think that this is not the correct solution to the m1941 Johnson lmg.

My approach the Johnson lmg balance:

In the past the Devs have been willing to act upon any data that proved that the current version of a gun was incorrect (an example would be the major Japan weapon rebalance).
So I’d like to present some data that would let the Johnson be presented more accurately:

The m1941 Johnson historically didn’t have a 900rpm the current rpm actually belongs to the m1944e1 as stated on the wiki, it actually had something closer to 550rpm here’s how I arrived at the 550rpm number:

The user manual gives a range of 450-650 rpm:

This secondary source helps close that range a bit:

•So with a 550rpm (before upgrades) and a reduced movement speed I think the Johnson lmg could be comfortably downtiered to BR2.

Do you want to see the Johnson given it’s actual rpm?
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Yeah, let’s completely destroy an unique weapon for the sake of transforming it into BAR-like MG no. 8.

Not to mention current Johnson LMG already have historical slow mode option.

So overall just terrible take.

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“Historical”, it never had such an option. The current rpm is due to a research error on the Devs part.

It would actually be more like an mg13, which would add something unique for the USA.

But so the unique weapon isn’t lost, the m1944e1 should be added to replace it in br4:
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The US should get a BR2 LMG and the Johnson could fit that role with a historical RPM. The British should’ve gotten a BR3 LMG as well but that ship seems to have sailed

As far as I know, such a function existed, but it required disassembling the machine gun and replacing the buffer spring.

It will be good if you research it a bit more before you make a suggestion:

Well its a bit more complicated then this

Johnson Model 1941 - is short-recoil operated that fire semi - auto close bolt,full auto open bolt and slow auto 200 ROF in slow and 600 on fast

m1944e1 - is uses a hybrid system that combines short recoil with a gas-boost assist. So the old one had no gas system this one also had its 2 gas port holes normally.

The real-life M1941 Johnson LMG’s rate of fire was adjustable by the operator through mechanical means, but this was a workshop adjustment , The adjustment for 1944E1 for slow auto also requires to open the gun and change the Gasport since it has not adjustable Gasport

Not like Type 99 and ZB 30:

  • Adjustable gas system: The Type 99 features a manual gas regulator with five settings located on the barrel.

  • Purpose: This adjustment is used to change the rate of fire, with lower settings for mobile situations and higher settings for stationary, sustained fire.

  • Mechanism: As a gas-operated weapon, the Type 99 uses a long-stroke piston located under the barrel to cycle the action. The gas regulator controls the amount of gas that reaches this piston.

Key benefits of an adjustable gas port

  • Reduced recoil: By restricting gas flow, an adjustable gas port can make the rifle’s operation smoother and softer, which is especially beneficial for rapid fire and maintaining a stable sight picture.
  • Ammunition versatility: Different ammunition has different pressure levels. An adjustable gas port allows you to switch between various loads (e.g., light target vs. heavy hunting rounds) without sacrificing the reliability of the weapon’s cycling.
  • Compatibility with suppressors: Suppressors add backpressure to the gas system, which can cause a gun to become over-gassed. An adjustable gas port allows the shooter to restrict the extra gas, maintaining a consistent and comfortable cyclic rate.
  • Ammunition versatility: Different ammunition has different pressure levels. An adjustable gas port allows you to switch between various loads (e.g., light target vs. heavy hunting rounds) without sacrificing the reliability of the weapon’s cycling.
  • Reduced wear and tear: A properly tuned gas system can lead to less stress on the rifle’s internal components, potentially extending the lifespan of parts like the bolt carrier group and receiver.

That’s why you cant do it on the Johnson in combat while in ZB-30 and Type 99 you can since the Gasport is adjustable its a feature of the gun while the Johnson had no such feature and you need special tool kit in the workshop to do it.

I dont know how to explain it more simplistic so people will understand what is adjustable gasport and what is not.

It may have been adjustable in a workshop but according to manuals at the time and footage it was usually used at around 550rpm in the field.

Well not you have videos where it fires on 200:

Johnson Light Machine Gun

here you can see a video and how slow it fires. Its up to personal preference how much recoil you would like. The more rate of fire the more recoil you will have in real life high rate of fire weapons are not desirable not like in enlisted stupid logic. The same is with the adjustable gasport if you wanna shoulder fire it you would put the setting on low since you wont be able to control recoil for stationary use you will prefer on higher gas setting.

That is no where near 200rpm in that video. The man talking in the video is talking about effective fire rate, which factors in reloads and what he says fits with the manuel.

Yeah sure go on with your topic then im not gonna comment to convince people without reason and logic in their mind set is impossible.

Good I don’t think people need you spouting your personal head cannon and spreading misinformation with no sources.

Yeah sure:

M1915 CSRG Chauchat
Take a good look. At best that Johnny is firing with 300.

That chauchat is around 250rpm.

This is around 600rpm:

Check around the 3 min mark.

Cuz this gun is set on high rate of fire… not like the one on the WW 2 video.

No it’s not the Johnson in both videos is firing around 550-600 rpm.

The Johnson rate of fire cant without being adjustable by the operator through mechanical means, but this was a workshop adjustment… Jesus Christ… :latin_cross: :dizzy_face:

It may have been capable, but show me where it says in the manuel that the gun is to be used at 200rpm.

My friend I dont wanna argue with you really research it yourself the manual is not tanning you about this that’s why you must go to the work shop the soldier is not trained to do it since its not adjustable by hand… like Type 99 and Type 96 or ZB 30 the Johnson m1944e1 and Johnson Model 1941 you will need to go for modification you don’t have a tool kit for that. You must dissemble the gun and switch it to another gas port since its not adjustable on the older model that feature would be different but im not familiar with non gas operated firearms. Im more familiar with Johnson m1944e1 and I can even tell you how its done since it closer to modern firearms.

What do you think is the purpose of an user manual? Soilders are taught how to operate a gun according to what it says.
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It’s not printed just for fun, it has a purpose, to inform the soilders on the correct operation of a firearm.

The 200rpm makes no sense as it’s wayyyy to slow and the 900rpm makes no sense as with a 20 round mag it would be useless. That’s why the bar had a similar firerate and that’s why the Johnson had around 600rpm because it was designed to replace the bar.

The manual is to operate the gun the Johnson rate of fire change is not supposed to be done by the regular infantry. Since you cant do it without tools. The rest of the features of the gun you can use even a normal bullet but adjusting the gas port is something that soldiers are not trained to do since its not adjustable gasport.